From: Robert Hailey <lkml@osndok.com>
To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: A long overdue fork-bomb defense ?
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 17:25:48 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <009EC62D-F6F7-48C4-9D03-9B1B8D6796ED@osndok.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <106827.1302379928@localhost>
On 2011/04/09 (Apr), at 3:12 PM, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Apr 2011 15:47:13 CDT, Robert Hailey said:
>
>> log("fork_count generation");
>> divide_all_process_fork_counts_by_two();
>
> This will involve painful locking on large systems with lots of
> procs running.
This logic (and the related painful locks) would be triggered only
once in a small fractional proportion to the number of forks of the
single greatest forker. But it is a solid observation, that if such a
patch was in place there would be an overhead to it's use; I imagine
it would take a considerable amount of time for a long running system
to wrap it's fork counts.
Is there a better way to handle the integer overflows?
>
>
>> for ( p : process_table) {
>
> Ditto.
Thankfully, this logic would only be triggered when the process table
is full. At that point I doubt anyone would miss the compute time of
even the most painful lock :)
>
>> if (fork_alert_level) {
>> if (fork_count >= fork_alert_level) {
>> signal(KILL, proc) && log('killed ...');
>> //don't: fork_alert_time=now();
>> return/dispatch?;
>> }
>> if (now()-fork_alert_time>10 seconds?) {
>> fork_alert_level=0; //Relax
>> }
>> }
>
> A smart attacker can probably use this to game the fork rate to fly
> just under
> the wire, while still piling up lots of processes, *and* adding
> extra overhead
> as it goes. If the rate limit is 5000 forks every 10 seconds, it can
> do 4500
> every 10 seconds, and in a few minutes the poor scaling sections
> will eat your
> system alive.
Perhaps there is a misunderstanding.... Although this logic is
*sensitive* to forking rate, this is not directly acting on (or
measuring) a forking rate. It is simply providing a metric by which
processes can be compared (number of forks in self and ancestors), and
providing something to do if we find that we are out of process table
space (the limited resource in question). Of course... if the memory
ceiling is reached first (fork/malloc), then that is a concern of the
OOM-killer (a separate but related discussion).
Presuming for a moment that it works, I think the worst case is
actually a single (perhaps compromised) process spawning child fork
bombs. For that matter it could be a bash shell with the user setting
them off. In that case it might *never* cause enough forking it to get
itself automatically killed, but the system would still be [somewhat?]
responsive through the attack b/c it no longer denies a legitimate
fork, i.e. logging in & using a shell work, even while the process
table is *FULL* of active fork bombs.
Even if a fork bomb is downgraded from "fatal" to "makes things darn
slow", it's worth considering, no?
--
Robert Hailey
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2011-04-08 20:47 ` Robert Hailey
2011-04-09 20:12 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-04-09 22:25 ` Robert Hailey [this message]
2011-04-09 22:44 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2011-04-09 23:20 ` Robert Hailey
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