From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 12:23:53 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 12:23:43 -0400 Received: from spc.esa.lanl.gov ([128.165.46.232]:15242 "HELO spc.esa.lanl.gov") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id ; Fri, 18 May 2001 12:23:31 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII From: Steven Cole Reply-To: scole@lanl.gov To: Jes Sorensen , esr@thyrsus.com Subject: Re: [kbuild-devel] Re: CML2 design philosophy heads-up Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:22:33 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kbuild-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <20010505192731.A2374@thyrsus.com> <20010515173316.A8308@thyrsus.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <0105181022330G.10237@spc.esa.lanl.gov> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Friday 18 May 2001 09:19, Jes Sorensen wrote: > Replacing the code does not require changing the style of the config > files. Thats a major problem with CML2, you introduce a new 'let me do > everything for you' tool that relies on a programming language that is > not being shipped by any major vendor nor does it look like they are > planning to do it anytime soon. And even if they start doing so, this Actually, Linux-Mandrake 8.0 ships with Python 2.0, but your next point is a very good one: > is a totally unreasonable requirement, you *must* to make it possible > to compile kernels on older distributions without requiring people to > update half of their system. On some architectures, the majority of > the users are still on glibc 2.0 and other old versions of > tools. Telling them to install an updated gcc for kernel compilation > is a necessary evil, which can easily be done without disturbing the > rest of the system. Updating the system's python installation is not a > reasonable request. Nobody disagrees that the Makefiles needs a > redesign, however that doesn't mean everything else has to be > redisigned in a totally incompatible manner. I didn't have trouble installing python 2.0 before LM 8.0 did that for me, but I was probably just lucky. I've seen some reports by other people who did have difficulty upgrading python. If the python installation difficulties are a real obstacle, perhaps that is what needs to be fixed. Steven