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From: "Luca Veraldi" <luca.veraldi@katamail.com>
To: <alexander.riesen@synopsys.COM>
Cc: "linux-kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Efficient IPC mechanism on Linux
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 11:18:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <015601c3777c$8c63b2e0$5aaf7450@wssupremo> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030910064508.GA25795@Synopsys.COM>

> I mean for benchmarks. You compared your implementation to a very old
> linux' one. There were big changes in these areas.

The overhead implied by a memcpy() is the same, in the oder of magnitude,
***whatever*** kernel version you can develop.

If you have to send, lt's say, 3 memory pages from A to B,
using pipes you have to ***physically copy***
2 * 3 * PAGE_SIZE bytes
(firt time, sending; then receiving them. So two times).
Which evals to 8192 * 3.

Using capability, the only thing you have to do
is copying an amount of bytes that are linearly dependent
by the number of pages: so, proportional to 3.

I you want the (quite) exact amount, it is
3 * sizeof(unsigned long) + sizeof(capability)
which evals to  12 + 16 = 28.
X is not present in the equation.

I compared pipes and SYS V IPC on Linux 2.2.4 with the new mechanism
also developed over kernel 2.2.4!
The same inefficiency of the kernel support you are talking about
affet all the primitives being examined in the article. Mine, too.

So the relative results will be quite the same.

> you surely know, that it is just an implementation. The mechanisms have
> always been there, evolved from UNIX.
> That is mainly the reason for them to exists: support the applications
> which use them.
>
> Will it be possible to base existing facilities on your approach?
> SVR5 messages (msg{get,snd,rcv}), for example?
> (I have to ask, because I cannot understand the article, sorry)

Ah, ok. So let's continue to do ineffient things
only because it has always been so!

Compatibility is not a problem. Simply rewrite the write() and read() for
pipes
in order to make them do the same thing done by zc_send() and zc_receive().
Or, if you are not referring to pipes, rewrite the support level of you
anchient IPC primitives
in order to make them do the same thing done by zc_send() and zc_receive().

Bye,
Luca.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-09-10  9:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-09 17:30 Luca Veraldi
2003-09-09 21:17 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-09 21:57   ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-09 23:11     ` Alan Cox
2003-09-10  9:04       ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 12:56         ` Alan Cox
     [not found] ` <20030909175821.GL16080@Synopsys.COM>
     [not found]   ` <001d01c37703$8edc10e0$36af7450@wssupremo>
     [not found]     ` <20030910064508.GA25795@Synopsys.COM>
2003-09-10  9:18       ` Luca Veraldi [this message]
2003-09-10  9:23         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-09-10  9:40           ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10  9:44             ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-09-10 10:09               ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 10:14                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-09-10 10:25                   ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-12 18:41                     ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-12 19:05                       ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-12 22:37                         ` Alan Cox
2003-09-10 12:50                 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-10 19:16                 ` Shawn
2003-09-10 20:05                 ` Rik van Riel
2003-09-17  9:52                   ` Rik's list of CS challenges Terje Eggestad
2003-09-17 13:40                     ` Alan Cox
2003-09-18  8:26                       ` Helge Hafting
2003-09-10 12:47             ` Efficient IPC mechanism on Linux Alan Cox
2003-09-10 13:56               ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 15:59                 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-10  9:52           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-10 10:07             ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-09-10 10:17               ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 10:37               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-10 10:41                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-09-10 10:54                   ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 10:54                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-09-10 11:16                     ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-10 11:30                       ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 11:44                         ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-10 12:14                           ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 12:42                       ` Alan Cox
2003-09-10 10:11             ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 19:24             ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-10 19:40               ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-10 21:35                 ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-10 22:06                   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-10 11:52         ` Alex Riesen
2003-09-10 12:14           ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 12:11             ` Alex Riesen
2003-09-10 12:29               ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 12:28                 ` Alex Riesen
2003-09-10 12:36                   ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 12:36                     ` Alex Riesen
2003-09-10 13:33                     ` Gábor Lénárt
2003-09-10 14:04                       ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 14:21 ` Stewart Smith
2003-09-10 14:39   ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 16:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-10 17:05   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-10 17:21     ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 17:41       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-10 17:39   ` Martin Konold
2003-09-10 18:01     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-09-10 18:05       ` Martin Konold
2003-09-10 18:31         ` Chris Friesen
2003-09-10 18:08   ` Inappropriate signatures Larry McVoy
2003-09-10 18:52     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-10 19:54     ` rsync head? [was inappropriate signatures] Joe Perches
2003-09-13 15:39     ` Inappropriate signatures Pavel Machek
2003-09-13 16:49       ` Larry McVoy
2003-09-09 18:59 Efficient IPC mechanism on Linux Luca Veraldi
2003-09-09 22:15 Luca Veraldi
     [not found] <F71B37536F3B3D4FA521FEC7FCA17933164A@twinsrv.twinox.se>
2003-09-10 10:36 ` Luca Veraldi
     [not found] <E19x3el-0002Fc-Rj@phoenix.hadiko.de>
2003-09-10 12:16 ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 14:53   ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <fa.h06p421.1s00ojt@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.gc37hsp.34id89@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found]   ` <E19x47V-0002JG-J8@phoenix.hadiko.de>
2003-09-10 12:45     ` Luca Veraldi
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     [not found]                     ` <udPF.BD.11@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found]                       ` <3F5F37CD.6060808@softhome.net>
2003-09-10 15:28                         ` Luca Veraldi
2003-09-10 18:41 Manfred Spraul

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