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From: <Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net>
To: jw@pegasys.ws, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The end of embedded Linux?
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 21:45:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <01c162444200ca2DTVMAIL10@smtp.cwctv.net> (raw)

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such projects already exist, RULE for instance.

Cheers, Dean.

On 	Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:49:21 -0700 	jw schultz <jw@pegasys.ws> wrote:

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From: jw schultz <jw@pegasys.ws>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: The end of embedded Linux?
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 16:49:21 -0700
Message-ID: <20021009234921.GC14644@pegasys.ws>

On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 08:17:45PM +0100, jbradford@dial.pipex.com wrote:
> > 
> > On 9 Oct 2002, Alan Cox wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 08:37, Alexander Kellett wrote: 
> > > > This talk of adeos reminds me of something that i'd
> > > > "dreamed" of a while back. Whats the feasability of
> > > > having a 70kb kernel that barely even provides support 
> > > > for user space apps and is basically just an hardware 
> > > > abstraction layer for "applications" that can be 
> > > > written as kernel modules?
> > > 
> > > Its called FreeDOS,
> > > 
> > 
> > -emm. Maybe he needs just a bit more.
> 
> Minix, maybe?

Now, be realistic.  What he asks here isn't that
farfeteched.  Tell me one other OS that has drivers of the
same quality.  I'll be the first to say (oops, Alan beat me
to it) that a Linux stripped down that much wouldn't be
Linux.

However, it wouldn't be an unreasonable project to create
sort of fork that strips Linux down to the bare minimum
while still keeping the driver API.  I don't say that it can
be done just that it might make a reasonable public project
if enough embedded people wanted such a beast^Winsect.  The
dificulty would be excising/replacing core code without
breaking it, side-porting driver patches, and the periodic
resyncing with Linux so new drivers and driver patches would
still apply.  Painful indeed.

Of course it wouldn't be Linux.  Maybe call it Minux or Minlin.
And give it its own mailing list instead of linux-kernel.

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2002-10-12 20:45 Hell.Surfers [this message]
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2002-10-08 12:05 Hicks, Jamey
2002-10-08  9:51 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-08 20:00 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08  9:36 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-07 20:04 Hell.Surfers
2002-10-07 23:01 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08  0:10   ` jw schultz
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2002-10-07  5:38 ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07  5:42   ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07  6:06     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 12:04   ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 12:00     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 12:32       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 12:29         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 13:06   ` Dana Lacoste
2002-10-05 19:36 Gigi Duru
2002-10-05 19:46 ` Francois Romieu
2002-10-05 19:49 ` Ben Greear
2002-10-05 19:53 ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-05 20:52   ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-05 20:58     ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06  1:54       ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07 23:28       ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-06  0:46     ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  1:52     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-06 20:20       ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07  2:01         ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-06  4:28     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:53       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 18:50         ` george anzinger
2002-10-07 10:06         ` simon
2002-10-07 10:36           ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 11:57             ` Russell King
2002-10-07 12:10               ` Abraham vd Merwe
2002-10-07 14:12                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 16:05               ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 16:02                 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 16:20                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-10-07 16:38                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 16:53                   ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-07 17:45                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 18:11                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-07 18:54                       ` george anzinger
2002-10-07 19:11                         ` Russell King
2002-10-07 20:05                           ` Ben Greear
2002-10-12 10:08                       ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-10-14 12:26                       ` Richard Zidlicky
2002-10-07 17:15             ` simon
2002-10-07 17:24               ` David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:22               ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 22:22                 ` Christer Weinigel
2002-10-07 22:52                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 22:56                     ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-09 11:19                     ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-08 10:11                 ` simon
2002-10-08 11:11                   ` jbradford
2002-10-08 11:53                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-08 12:09                       ` jbradford
2002-10-08 11:25                   ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08 11:25                   ` Alan Cox
2002-10-08 20:04                     ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:53                       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-08 22:38                         ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 11:27                   ` jw schultz
2002-10-09  7:37                     ` Alexander Kellett
2002-10-09 11:49                       ` Alan Cox
2002-10-09 11:53                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-09 19:17                           ` jbradford
2002-10-09 23:49                             ` jw schultz
2002-10-13 16:30                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2002-10-09 12:42                       ` Ian Molton
2002-10-10  4:47                       ` Shane Nay
2002-10-08 15:52                   ` David Lang
2002-10-09 10:53                     ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-07 10:55           ` Xavier Bestel
2002-10-07 17:20             ` simon
2002-10-07 22:59               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 23:18                 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 16:15         ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 16:22       ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 16:41         ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 21:56           ` Gigi Duru
2002-10-07 19:44             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-08 13:22               ` Thomas Molina
2002-10-08 16:34                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 23:20           ` Matt Porter
2002-10-07 19:50             ` Rob Landley
2002-10-08 15:04               ` Matt Porter
2002-10-08 16:52                 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-09 11:38                   ` Adrian Bunk
2002-10-07 23:01         ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-07 23:23           ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 23:47             ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-08  0:06               ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-08  1:23             ` Xcytame@yahoo.es
2002-10-06 13:02     ` Ian Molton
2002-10-05 19:53 ` jbradford
2002-10-05 22:23 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-10-05 23:28   ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06  1:57     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-12  4:01   ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-12  4:09     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06  0:36 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06  0:41 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-06  0:50   ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06  1:00     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2002-10-06  0:44 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-06 22:24   ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:54     ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-10-07  1:33     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07 22:25     ` Andre Hedrick
2002-10-07  9:10 ` Jan-Benedict Glaw

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