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From: Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>
To: Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Lingutla Chandrasekhar <clingutla@codeaurora.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Qais Yousef <qais.yousef@arm.com>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	Pavan Kondeti <pkondeti@codeaurora.org>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/7] sched/fair: Ignore percpu threads for imbalance pulls
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 20:06:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0377d32d-52ac-76e1-4f73-8fa426136e8c@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pmzzronf.mognet@arm.com>

On 16/03/2021 18:31, Valentin Schneider wrote:
> On 16/03/21 16:49, Dietmar Eggemann wrote:
>> On 11/03/2021 13:05, Valentin Schneider wrote:
>>> From: Lingutla Chandrasekhar <clingutla@codeaurora.org>
>>>
>>> In load balancing, when balancing group is unable to pull task
>>> due to ->cpus_ptr constraints from busy group, then it sets
>>> LBF_SOME_PINNED to lb env flags, as a consequence, sgc->imbalance
>>> is set for its parent domain level. which makes the group
>>> classified as imbalance to get help from another balancing cpu.
>>>
>>> Consider a 4-CPU big.LITTLE system with CPUs 0-1 as LITTLEs and
>>
>> Does it have to be a big.LITTLE system? I assume this issue also happens
>> on an SMP system.
>>
> 
> Aye, though the consequences are "worse" on asym CPU capacity systems.

I can only think of higher group_type 'group_imbalanced' eclipses
'group_misfit_task' here?

> 
>>> CPUs 2-3 as Bigs with below scenario:
>>> - CPU0 doing newly_idle balancing
>>> - CPU1 running percpu kworker and RT task (small tasks)
>>
>> What's the role of the small RT task here in the story?
>>
> 
> I don't think it matters much here.

Chandra already mentioned that this is part of the story, namely to
start trying to move task on lb MC CPU1->CPU0 (if (busiest->nr_running >
1)).

[...]

>> This sentence mentioned per-cpu threads (and so does the patch name) but
>> the implementation (only) deals with per-cpu kernel threads. IMHO, it
>> would be good to align this.
>>
> 
> Tell you what, I'll go for:
> 1) how can pcpu kthreads cause LBF_SOME_PINNED
> 2) why we may not want this, but still ignore !kthread pcpu tasks
> 3) why this is even more important for big.LITTLE

LGTM.


  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-16 19:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-11 12:05 [PATCH v3 0/7] sched/fair: misfit task load-balance tweaks Valentin Schneider
2021-03-11 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] sched/fair: Ignore percpu threads for imbalance pulls Valentin Schneider
2021-03-16 15:49   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2021-03-16 16:03     ` Chandra Sekhar Lingutla
2021-03-16 18:59       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2021-03-16 17:31     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-03-16 19:06       ` Dietmar Eggemann [this message]
2021-03-11 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] sched/fair: Clean up active balance nr_balance_failed trickery Valentin Schneider
2021-03-17 10:52   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2021-03-11 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] sched/fair: Add more sched_asym_cpucapacity static branch checks Valentin Schneider
2021-03-15 14:18   ` Vincent Guittot
2021-03-15 19:24     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-03-11 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] sched/fair: Introduce a CPU capacity comparison helper Valentin Schneider
2021-03-15 14:24   ` Vincent Guittot
2021-03-15 19:24     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-03-31 11:34   ` Chandra Sekhar Lingutla
2021-03-11 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] sched/fair: Employ capacity_greater() throughout load_balance() Valentin Schneider
2021-03-31 11:35   ` Chandra Sekhar Lingutla
2021-03-11 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] sched/fair: Filter out locally-unsolvable misfit imbalances Valentin Schneider
2021-03-15 15:13   ` Vincent Guittot
2021-03-15 19:18     ` Valentin Schneider
2021-03-19 15:19       ` Vincent Guittot
2021-03-23 18:51         ` Valentin Schneider
2021-03-11 12:05 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] sched/fair: Relax task_hot() for misfit tasks Valentin Schneider

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