From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: arnd@arndb.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@kernel.org,
fengguang.wu@intel.com, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
tglx@linutronix.de, peterz@infradead.org,
linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tip:x86/asm] objtool: Handle GCC stack pointer adjustment bug
Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2017 16:39:42 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <04d4f019-44a6-e01c-128d-aa31df9dd5dc@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170830201413.gx4in2wnz5yypzrc@treble>
On 08/30/17 13:14, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 12:23:24PM -0700, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>> On 08/30/17 02:43, tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
>>>
>>> Those warnings are caused by an unusual GCC non-optimization where it
>>> uses an intermediate register to adjust the stack pointer. It does:
>>>
>>> lea 0x8(%rsp), %rcx
>>> ...
>>> mov %rcx, %rsp
>>>
>>> Instead of the obvious:
>>>
>>> add $0x8, %rsp
>>>
>>> It makes no sense to use an intermediate register, so I opened a GCC bug
>>> to track it:
>>>
>>> https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=81813
>>>
>>> But it's not exactly a high-priority bug and it looks like we'll be
>>> stuck with this issue for a while. So for now we have to track register
>>> values when they're loaded with stack pointer offsets.
>>>
>>
>> This seems like a good reason to try to extract this information from
>> the DWARF data *if available*?
>
> Well, I haven't ruled that out for the future, but in this case,
> integrating DWARF would be a lot more work than this relatively simple
> patch.
>
> If we did go that route, it could be tricky deciding when to trust
> DWARF vs. when to trust objtool's reverse engineering.
>
> Another (vague) idea I'm thinking about is to write a GCC plugin which
> annotates the object files in a way that would help objtool become more
> GCC-ignorant. If it worked, this approach would be more powerful and
> less error-prone than relying on DWARF.
>
> Depending on how much work we can offload to the plugin, it might also
> help make it easier to port objtool to other arches and compilers (e.g.,
> clang).
>
> I'm not 100% sold on that idea either, because it still requires objtool
> to trust the compiler to some extent. But I think it would be worth it
> because it would make the objtool code simpler, more portable, more
> robust, and easier to maintain (so I don't always have to stay on top of
> all of GCC's latest optimizations).
>
> In the meantime, objtool's current design is working fine (for now). I
> haven't found any issues it can't handle (yet).
>
Reverse engineering this way is at least NP-complete, and quite possibly
undecidable. A gcc plugin would tie the kernel *way* harder to gcc than
it is now, and it seems incredibly unlikely that you would come up with
something simpler and more reliable than a DWARF parser. What you *can*
do, of course, is cross-correlate the two, and *way* more importantly,
you cover assembly.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-08-30 23:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-08-29 17:51 [PATCH] " Josh Poimboeuf
2017-08-30 9:43 ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
[not found] ` <e6eb6a11-ad65-dccb-2c79-485e58e316a2@zytor.com>
2017-08-30 20:14 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-08-30 23:39 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2017-08-31 4:42 ` Josh Poimboeuf
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