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From: Yu Kuai <yukuai1@huaweicloud.com>
To: Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>, Yu Kuai <yukuai1@huaweicloud.com>
Cc: Muchun Song <songmuchun@bytedance.com>,
	Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"open list:BLOCK LAYER" <linux-block@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"yukuai (C)" <yukuai3@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] block: fix ordering between checking BLK_MQ_S_STOPPED and adding requests to hctx->dispatch
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2024 15:57:53 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0506fba7-dcff-d58a-ebfc-703cba565d97@huaweicloud.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0AC85BFB-F887-4512-887D-A2E7D36D9C52@linux.dev>

Hi,

在 2024/08/27 15:31, Muchun Song 写道:
> 
> 
>> On Aug 26, 2024, at 16:53, Yu Kuai <yukuai1@huaweicloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> 在 2024/08/26 16:35, Muchun Song 写道:
>>>> On Aug 22, 2024, at 11:54, Yu Kuai <yukuai1@huaweicloud.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> 在 2024/08/19 11:49, Muchun Song 写道:
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 10:28 AM Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Muchun,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 06:19:19PM +0800, Muchun Song wrote:
>>>>>>> Supposing the following scenario with a virtio_blk driver.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CPU0                                                                CPU1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> blk_mq_try_issue_directly()
>>>>>>>      __blk_mq_issue_directly()
>>>>>>>          q->mq_ops->queue_rq()
>>>>>>>              virtio_queue_rq()
>>>>>>>                  blk_mq_stop_hw_queue()
>>>>>>>                                                                      virtblk_done()
>>>>>>>      blk_mq_request_bypass_insert()                                      blk_mq_start_stopped_hw_queues()
>>>>>>>          /* Add IO request to dispatch list */   1) store                    blk_mq_start_stopped_hw_queue()
>>>>>>>                                                                                  clear_bit(BLK_MQ_S_STOPPED)                 3) store
>>>>>>>      blk_mq_run_hw_queue()                                                       blk_mq_run_hw_queue()
>>>>>>>          if (!blk_mq_hctx_has_pending())                                             if (!blk_mq_hctx_has_pending())         4) load
>>>>>>>              return                                                                      return
>>>>>>>          blk_mq_sched_dispatch_requests()                                            blk_mq_sched_dispatch_requests()
>>>>>>>              if (blk_mq_hctx_stopped())          2) load                                 if (blk_mq_hctx_stopped())
>>>>>>>                  return                                                                      return
>>>>>>>              __blk_mq_sched_dispatch_requests()                                          __blk_mq_sched_dispatch_requests()
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The full memory barrier should be inserted between 1) and 2), as well as between
>>>>>>> 3) and 4) to make sure that either CPU0 sees BLK_MQ_S_STOPPED is cleared or CPU1
>>>>>>> sees dispatch list or setting of bitmap of software queue. Otherwise, either CPU
>>>>>>> will not re-run the hardware queue causing starvation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, it is one kind of race which is triggered when adding request into
>>>>>> ->dispatch list after returning STS_RESOURCE. We were troubled by lots of
>>>>>> such kind of race.
>>>>> Yes. I saw the similar fix for BLK_MQ_S_SCHED_RESTART.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> stopping queue is used in very less drivers, and its only purpose should
>>>>>> be for throttling hw queue in case that low level queue is busy. There seems
>>>>>> more uses of blk_mq_stop_hw_queues(), but most of them should be replaced
>>>>>> with blk_mq_quiesce_queue().
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMO, fixing this kind of issue via memory barrier is too tricky to
>>>>>> maintain cause WRITE/READ dependency is very hard to follow. I'd suggest to
>>>>>> make memory barrier solution as the last resort, and we can try to figure
>>>>>> out other easier & more reliable way first.
>>>>> I do agree it is hard to maintain the dependencies in the future. We should
>>>>> propose an easy-maintainable solution. But I thought it is a long-term issue
>>>>> throughout different stable linux distros. Adding a mb is the easy way to fix
>>>>> the problem (the code footprint is really small), so it will be very
>>>>> easy for others
>>>>> to backport those bug fixes to different stable linux distros. Therefore, mb
>>>>> should be an interim solution. Then, we could improve it based on the solution
>>>>> you've proposed below. What do you think?
>>>>
>>>> I'll agree with Ming, let's figure out a better fix first. Easy to backport to stables is not first consideration.
>>> Hi Kuai,
>>> All right. I usually focus on MM, it seems there is a gap between MM and BLock.
>>> Anyway, let's figure out if there is any good solution.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Muchun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One idea I thought of is to call blk_mq_request_bypass_insert()(or rename
>>>>>> & export it) before calling blk_mq_stop_hw_queue() in driver, then
>>>>>> return new status code STS_STOP_DISPATCH for notifying blk-mq to stop
>>>>>> dispatch simply.
>>>>
>>>> New status code look good to me, however, I wonder can we just remove
>>>> the problematic blk_mq_stop_hw_queue(), and replace it by handling the
>>>> new status from block layer?
>>>>
>>>> - Passing the new status to blk_mq_run_dispatch_ops, and quiesce with
>>> I didn't fully understand your suggestion. Let me ask some questions.
>>> blk_mq_stop_hw_queue() is usually called in blk_mq_ops->queue_rq path,
>>> it'll be easy for this case to pass the new status to blk_mq_run_dispatch_ops.
>>> Should we remove blk_mq_stop_hw_queues() as well? How to pass the new
>>> status to blk_mq_run_dispatch_ops in this case?
>>
>> For queue_rq from dispatch path, it can be removed. However, it is
>> called from remove path as well, I don't check yet if it can be removed
>> there, that's another story.
> 
> The reason why I asked this question is that blk_mq_stop_hw_queues() also needs
> to be fixed. See my patch 3.

I just reviewed that patch, please check following.
> 
>>
>> And just add a return value for dispatch_ops to pass status.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Kuai
>>
>>>> the new status, if no request is inflight, unquiesce immediately;
>>> Actually, I didn't understand how to avoid the above race. May you elaborate
>>> the scenario?
> 
> Sorry for repeating, I didn't get your point here. May you elaborate
> your suggestion? Thanks very much.

// dispatch path, replace stop queue with quiesce queue;
if (__blk_mq_run_dispatch_ops() != STS_STOP_DISPATCH)
        return;

blk_mq_quiesce_queue();
/* other context already stop dispatch */
if (test_and_set_bit(QUEUE_FLAG_STOP_DISPATCH, &q->queue_flags)) {
        blk_mq_unquiesce_queue();
        return;
}

/*
  * IO is done before stopping dispatch, hence can't let IO complete to
  * unquiesce queue.
  */
if (!blk_mq_inflight() && test_and_clear_bit(QUEUE_FLAG_STOP_DISPATCH, 
&q->queue_flags))
        blk_mq_unquiesce_queue();

// complete path
if (test_and_clear_bit(QUEUE_FLAG_STOP_DISPATCH, &q->queue_flags))
        blk_mq_unquiesce_queue();

Thanks,
Kuai

> 
>>> Muhcun,
>>> Thanks.
>>>> - unquiesce is any IO is done afterwards;
>>> .
> 
> 
> .
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-29  7:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-11 10:19 [PATCH 0/4] Fix some starvation problems Muchun Song
2024-08-11 10:19 ` [PATCH 1/4] block: fix request starvation when queue is stopped or quiesced Muchun Song
2024-08-16  9:14   ` Ming Lei
2024-08-11 10:19 ` [PATCH 2/4] block: fix ordering between checking BLK_MQ_S_STOPPED and adding requests to hctx->dispatch Muchun Song
2024-08-19  2:27   ` Ming Lei
2024-08-19  3:49     ` Muchun Song
2024-08-22  3:54       ` Yu Kuai
2024-08-26  8:35         ` Muchun Song
2024-08-26  8:53           ` Yu Kuai
2024-08-27  7:31             ` Muchun Song
2024-08-29  7:57               ` Yu Kuai [this message]
2024-08-11 10:19 ` [PATCH 3/4] block: fix missing smp_mb in blk_mq_{delay_}run_hw_queues Muchun Song
2024-08-11 10:19 ` [PATCH 4/4] block: fix fix ordering between checking QUEUE_FLAG_QUIESCED and adding requests to hctx->dispatch Muchun Song
2024-08-23 11:27   ` Ming Lei
2024-08-26  7:06     ` Muchun Song
2024-08-26  7:33       ` Muchun Song
2024-08-26  9:20         ` Ming Lei
2024-08-27  7:24           ` Muchun Song
2024-08-27  8:16             ` Muchun Song
2024-08-29  2:51               ` Ming Lei
2024-08-29  3:40                 ` Muchun Song

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