From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=216.40.44.15 ARC-Seal: i=1; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc20261015; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; t=1792511591; b=NBpQsxfGBJ/mKT6ToZPm9Lvr3B17x3MFqTDxdmu7/lQpoWe6f9GHLrYa7DdToLjvTooi MyMshK3n7rpZcW3HVXtDL51mnmdlIxWJ7Hybk3DgtzvrJ67Xl2c3+qAwzHiMDXDVF2WVy pPaXxP0JTU5esfqZOXyulNmjYJQW4OR0feT7owxPOB4j102gTn4P6jsz97LKonHp7Uh7L 0lyxbf0E+smKEXgBwkVx0LB0HCCmvljcypPWaAajcnzyUiubpZVKU3cQ652/No7l4PVji ffyzgzH2ZieHGEsY8C5atZU19OXSAxDO8lY6b1ECIhGPzeZIOTQS1D4f0CBqhbqepHQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc20261015; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1792511591; h=DMARC-Filter:Received:Received:MIME-Version:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject: In-Reply-To:References:Message-ID:X-Sender:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Rspamd-Server:X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: X-Stat-Signature:X-Spam-Status:X-Session-Marker:X-Session-ID:X-HE-Tag: X-HE-Meta; bh=WBeM+RRfJBDWsLDzUHRibe0EMKqyQuZjJllD1Oecmo4=; b=zWeorF6NUTyiFKkFxnWEiiUK3CeXWn9BRHWvGs9o0xV5MpswY6Ei+egrZSPDFHo6/EB9 lLbW9e2fs5r6uHpt+Er580SF9lBIuy8e9ZkDdy3zwaNiS1G510po37QfLzrizKzLuMD9J 82heuNwr0jPoAqxTNuW99ERTL0X/gyet75FshBduVPd6anaeFfO8KuB5GyRR35kejQRAE Z5X9iQkP8KJqSh+mM672YEBM/OZij50tpdtm+wzVhMUefInW0/9baaD9ShYu7Rnh4r20S INovMUADKt/k9iR/TFKEBdtpyazTbXCzwrJ6K59txCYQ8jmxzBnbQukzWCI3w9d5A0Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none header.from=perches.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=perches.com; arc=none smtp.remote-ip=216.40.44.15 Received: from relay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0015.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.15]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 583CC606A323; Tue, 20 Oct 2026 15:53:11 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.4.2 smtp.subspace.kernel.org 583CC606A323 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=perches.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=perches.com Received: from omf06.hostedemail.com (lb01a-stub [10.200.18.249]) by unirelay09.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3782B80249; Tue, 20 Oct 2026 15:53:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [HIDDEN] (Authenticated sender: joe@perches.com) by omf06.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 38CB62000E; Tue, 20 Oct 2026 15:53:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: List-Owner: Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2026 08:53:04 -0700 From: Joe Perches To: Konstantin Ryabitsev Cc: Jonathan Corbet , Shuah Khan , Randy Dunlap , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, users@kernel.org, Federico Vaga , Akira Yokosawa , Carlos Bilbao , Avadhut Naik , Alex Shi , Yanteng Si , Dongliang Mu , Chen-Yu Yeh , Weijie Yuan , workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, Petr Pavlu Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] get_maintainer: stop sending every patch to LKML In-Reply-To: <20261020-get-maintainer-the-rest-fallback-v2-0-162aea473488@linuxfoundation.org> References: <20261020-get-maintainer-the-rest-fallback-v2-0-162aea473488@linuxfoundation.org> Message-ID: <0605a3c99b55124d1be71c9939f636e2@perches.com> X-Sender: joe@perches.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout03 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 38CB62000E X-Stat-Signature: nm58q1jqzfpj8488pof9huhpymuwd5fu X-Session-Marker: 6A6F6540706572636865732E636F6D X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX18QG5lVyX5MxC/RKKUymBzbOlQ9yz2yzZM= X-HE-Tag: 1792511585-118373 X-HE-Meta: U2FsdGVkX19ugfTT/zoJi5JEcD1Cug4kdNh+tK9lsl6L2sIhvX+Pxa4xiK0n3mFEVztzaLKRWLpTE6mkSUXSjgpF9MNNDen8J86O4h8+CChScKDFHH4ZXF0obh8W/2Z5iwgs5KBtBRClovGo1GHtVfSaNgylt67DVqhQnqy8ZHcQU5I04O46fB/gppP4sYek+yb7sNeytgdYdAY5UnmAiOV4/TkXJ8r7FNLxaUHoPDLTEDYlb2mUcCgAOR8aD1YHUQJ7pUGvqeu4Pk5msIqqXhJ74CEqQawTM3S7RDEfV3w= On 2026-10-20 08:35, Konstantin Ryabitsev wrote: > LKML has become mostly a firehose of patches that are already going to > a > subsystem list. The reason is THE REST: it matches every file in the > tree, so get_maintainer.pl adds linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org to every > single patch. During the week of Oct 1-7, 2026: > > - LKML carried 13,641 messages (~1,950/day), 90% of which were also > sent to at least one other list; > - with ~2,100 subscribers, that is about 29 million deliveries per > week for LKML alone. > > This issue came up during the 2026 Maintainer Summit and the consensus > was that "always include linux-kernel for every patch" was never the > intent. That's not actually true. Lkml was the default mailing list and other lists were specific to their interests. > This series makes THE REST a fallback as initially intended: it is only > added for a file when no other matching MAINTAINERS section provides a > mailing list that get_maintainer.pl would actually output for it. > Patch 2 updates submitting-patches.rst, which currently tells > submitters > to send every patch to LKML. Which was the documented and then desired behavior. No worries, things change. I too stopped subscribing to lkml a long while ago.