From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>, Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 12/13] mm/gup: trigger FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE when R/O-pinning a possibly shared anonymous page
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2022 17:47:15 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <0a159b65-cb80-c8eb-7ad1-24b83813531f@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fb895ba3-9d7e-7421-d5c6-f5e7a2d1231a@redhat.com>
On 3/2/22 12:38, David Hildenbrand wrote:
...
> BUT, once we actually write to the private mapping via the page table,
> the GUP pin would go out of sync with the now-anonymous page mapped into
> the page table. However, I'm having a hard time answering what's
> actually expected?
>
> It's really hard to tell what the user wants with MAP_PRIVATE file
> mappings and stumbles over a !anon page (no modifications so far):
>
> (a) I want a R/O pin to observe file modifications.
> (b) I want the R/O pin to *not* observe file modifications but observe
> my (eventual? if any) private modifications,
>
On this aspect, I think it is easier than trying to discern user
intentions. Because it is less a question of what the user wants, and
more a question of how mmap(2) is specified. And the man page clearly
indicates that the user has no right to expect to see file
modifications. Here's the excerpt:
"MAP_PRIVATE
Create a private copy-on-write mapping. Updates to the mapping are not
visible to other processes mapping the same file, and are not carried
through to the underlying file. It is unspecified whether changes made
to the file after the mmap() call are visible in the mapped region.
"
> Of course, if we already wrote to that page and now have an anon page,
> it's easy: we are already no longer following file changes.
Yes, and in fact, I've always thought that the way this was written
means that it should be treated as a snapshot of the file contents,
and no longer reliably connected in either direction to the page(s).
thanks,
--
John Hubbard
NVIDIA
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-03 1:47 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-24 12:26 [PATCH RFC 00/13] mm: COW fixes part 2: reliable GUP pins of anonymous pages David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 01/13] mm/rmap: fix missing swap_free() in try_to_unmap() after arch_unmap_one() failed David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 16:26 ` Khalid Aziz
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 02/13] mm/hugetlb: take src_mm->write_protect_seq in copy_hugetlb_page_range() David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 03/13] mm/memory: slightly simplify copy_present_pte() David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 04/13] mm/rmap: split page_dup_rmap() into page_dup_file_rmap() and page_try_dup_anon_rmap() David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 05/13] mm/rmap: remove do_page_add_anon_rmap() David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 17:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-24 17:41 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 17:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-25 9:01 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 06/13] mm/rmap: pass rmap flags to hugepage_add_anon_rmap() David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 17:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 07/13] mm/rmap: use page_move_anon_rmap() when reusing a mapped PageAnon() page exclusively David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 08/13] mm/page-flags: reuse PG_slab as PG_anon_exclusive for PageAnon() pages David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 09/13] mm: remember exclusively mapped anonymous pages with PG_anon_exclusive David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 10/13] mm/gup: disallow follow_page(FOLL_PIN) David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 11/13] mm: support GUP-triggered unsharing of anonymous pages David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 12/13] mm/gup: trigger FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE when R/O-pinning a possibly shared anonymous page David Hildenbrand
2022-03-02 16:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-02 20:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-03-02 20:59 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-03-03 8:07 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-03-03 1:47 ` John Hubbard [this message]
2022-03-03 8:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-03-09 7:37 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-02-24 12:26 ` [PATCH RFC 13/13] mm/gup: sanity-check with CONFIG_DEBUG_VM that anonymous pages are exclusive when (un)pinning David Hildenbrand
[not found] ` <20220225051511.2383-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2022-02-25 8:01 ` [PATCH RFC 03/13] mm/memory: slightly simplify copy_present_pte() David Hildenbrand
2022-03-01 8:24 ` [PATCH RFC 00/13] mm: COW fixes part 2: reliable GUP pins of anonymous pages David Hildenbrand
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