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From: Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>, x86@kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@meta.com,
	 dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, luto@kernel.org,
	peterz@infradead.org,  tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com,
	bp@alien8.de, hpa@zytor.com,  akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	nadav.amit@gmail.com, zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com,
		linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/12] AMD broadcast TLB invalidation
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2025 21:46:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0a24ce5d1ae0c782c9c676466bd7051693852997.camel@surriel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c1621d18-0afc-4cd6-8b34-bce2e3936a9c@intel.com>

On Mon, 2025-01-06 at 11:03 -0800, Dave Hansen wrote:
> 
> So can we call them "global", "shared" or "system" ASIDs, please?
> 
I have renamed them to global ASIDs.

> Second, the TLB_NR_DYN_ASIDS was picked because it's roughly the
> number
> of distinct PCIDs that the CPU can keep in the TLB at once (at least
> on
> Intel). Let's say a CPU has 6 mm's in the per-cpu ASID space and
> another
> 6 in the shared/broadcast space. At that point, PCIDs might not be
> doing
> much good because the TLB can't store entries for 12 PCIDs.
> 
If the CPU has 12 runnable processes, we may have
various other performance issues, too, like the
system simply not having enough CPU power to run
all the runnable tasks.

Most of the systems I have looked at seem to average
between .2 and 2 runnable tasks per CPU, depending on
whether the workload is CPU bound, or memory/IO bound.

> Is there any comprehension in this series? Should we be indexing
> cpu_tlbstate.ctxs[] by a *context* number rather than by the ASID
> that
> it's running as?
> 
We only need the cpu_tlbstate.ctxs[] for the per-CPU
ASID space, in order to look up what process is
assigned which slot.

We do not need it for global ASID numbers, which are
always the same everywhere.

> Last, I'm not 100% convinced we want to do this whole thing. The
> will-it-scale numbers are nice. But given the complexity of this, I
> think we need some actual, real end users to stand up and say exactly
> how this is important in *PRODUCTION* to them.
> 
Do any of these count? :)

https://www.phoronix.com/review/amd-invlpgb-linux
I am hoping to gather some real world numbers as well,
and will work with some workload owners to get some numbers.


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  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-12  2:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-30 17:53 Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 01/12] x86/mm: make MMU_GATHER_RCU_TABLE_FREE unconditional Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 18:41   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-12-31 16:11     ` Rik van Riel
2024-12-31 16:19       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-12-31 16:30         ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-02 11:52           ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-02 19:56       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-03 12:18         ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-04 16:27           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-06 15:54             ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-06 15:47           ` Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 02/12] x86/mm: remove pv_ops.mmu.tlb_remove_table call Rik van Riel
2024-12-31  3:18   ` Qi Zheng
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 03/12] x86/mm: add X86_FEATURE_INVLPGB definition Rik van Riel
2025-01-02 12:04   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-03 18:27     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-03 21:07       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 04/12] x86/mm: get INVLPGB count max from CPUID Rik van Riel
2025-01-02 12:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-10 18:44   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-10 20:27     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-10 20:31       ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-10 20:34       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 05/12] x86/mm: add INVLPGB support code Rik van Riel
2025-01-02 12:42   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-06 16:50     ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-06 17:32       ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 18:14       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-14 19:50     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-03 12:44   ` Borislav Petkov
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 06/12] x86/mm: use INVLPGB for kernel TLB flushes Rik van Riel
2025-01-03 12:39   ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-06 17:21   ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-09 20:16     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-09 21:18       ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-10  5:31         ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-10  6:07         ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-10 15:14           ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-10 16:08             ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-10 16:29               ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-10 16:36                 ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-10 18:53   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-10 20:29     ` Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 07/12] x86/tlb: use INVLPGB in flush_tlb_all Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 17:29   ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-06 17:35     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 17:54       ` Dave Hansen
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 08/12] x86/mm: use broadcast TLB flushing for page reclaim TLB flushing Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 09/12] x86/mm: enable broadcast TLB invalidation for multi-threaded processes Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 19:24   ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-01  4:42     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-01 15:20       ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-01 16:15         ` Karim Manaouil
2025-01-01 16:23           ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-02  0:06             ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-03 17:36   ` Jann Horn
2025-01-04  2:55     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 13:04       ` Jann Horn
2025-01-06 14:26         ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 14:52   ` Nadav Amit
2025-01-06 16:03     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 18:40   ` Dave Hansen
2025-01-12  2:36     ` Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 10/12] x86,tlb: do targeted broadcast flushing from tlbbatch code Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 11/12] x86/mm: enable AMD translation cache extensions Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 18:25   ` Nadav Amit
2024-12-30 18:27     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-03 17:49   ` Jann Horn
2025-01-04  3:08     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 13:10       ` Jann Horn
2025-01-06 18:29         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-01-10 19:34   ` Tom Lendacky
2025-01-10 19:45     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-10 19:58       ` Borislav Petkov
2025-01-10 20:43         ` Rik van Riel
2024-12-30 17:53 ` [PATCH 12/12] x86/mm: only invalidate final translations with INVLPGB Rik van Riel
2025-01-03 18:40   ` Jann Horn
2025-01-12  2:39     ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-06 19:03 ` [PATCH v3 00/12] AMD broadcast TLB invalidation Dave Hansen
2025-01-12  2:46   ` Rik van Riel [this message]
2025-01-06 22:49 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-07  3:25   ` Rik van Riel
2025-01-08  1:36     ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-09  2:25       ` Andrew Cooper
2025-01-09  2:47       ` Andrew Cooper
2025-01-09 21:32         ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-09 23:00           ` Andrew Cooper
2025-01-09 23:26             ` Yosry Ahmed

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