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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: 'Dan Williams' <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com" 
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@linux.intel.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH v3 8/9] x86: use __uaccess_begin_nospec and ASM_IFENCE in get_user paths
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 10:07:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0afda538622440fab6682c8d4bff6d9d@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPcyv4jn6xHNB2DevoFEzkfpnKCd7u8UdA+TmVPtbO08TjzFWA@mail.gmail.com>

From: Dan Williams
> Sent: 17 January 2018 06:50
...
> > Anything that open-codes copy_from_user() that way is *ALREADY* fucked if
> > it cares about the overhead - recent x86 boxen will have slowdown from
> > hell on stac()/clac() pairs.  Anything like that on a hot path is already
> > deep in trouble and needs to be found and fixed.  What drivers would those
> > be?
> 
> So I took a closer look and the pattern is not copy_from_user it's
> more like __get_user + write-to-hardware loops. If the performance is
> already expected to be bad for those then perhaps an lfence each loop
> iteration won't be much worse. It's still a waste because the lfence
> is only needed once after the access_ok.

Performance of PCIe writes isn't that back (since they are posted)
adding a synchronising instructions to __get_user() could easily
be noticeable.

Unfortunately you can't use copy_from_user() with a PCIe mapped
target memory address (or even memcpy_to_io()) because on x86
the copy is aliased to memcpy() and that uses 'rep movsb'
which has to do single byte transfers because the address is
uncached.
(This is really bad for PCIe reads.)

	David



  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-17 10:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-13 18:17 [PATCH v3 0/9] core, x86: prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams
2018-01-13 18:17 ` [PATCH v3 1/9] Documentation: document array_ptr Dan Williams
2018-01-13 18:17 ` [PATCH v3 2/9] arm64: implement ifence_array_ptr() Dan Williams
2018-01-13 18:17 ` [PATCH v3 3/9] arm: " Dan Williams
2018-01-13 18:17 ` [PATCH v3 4/9] x86: implement ifence() Dan Williams
2018-01-13 18:17 ` [PATCH v3 5/9] x86: implement ifence_array_ptr() and array_ptr_mask() Dan Williams
2018-01-13 18:17 ` [PATCH v3 6/9] asm/nospec: mask speculative execution flows Dan Williams
2018-01-13 18:18 ` [PATCH v3 7/9] x86: introduce __uaccess_begin_nospec and ASM_IFENCE Dan Williams
2018-01-13 18:18 ` [PATCH v3 8/9] x86: use __uaccess_begin_nospec and ASM_IFENCE in get_user paths Dan Williams
2018-01-13 19:05   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-13 19:33     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-13 20:22       ` Eric W. Biederman
2018-01-16 22:23       ` Dan Williams
     [not found]         ` <CA+55aFxAFG5czVmCyhYMyHmXLNJ7pcXxWzusjZvLRh_qTGHj6Q@mail.gmail.com>
2018-01-16 22:41           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 14:17             ` Alan Cox
2018-01-17 18:52               ` Al Viro
2018-01-17 19:54                 ` Dan Williams
2018-01-17 20:05                   ` Al Viro
2018-01-17 20:14                     ` Dan Williams
2018-01-18  3:06                 ` [RFC][PATCH] get rid of the use of set_fs() (by way of kernel_recvmsg()) in sunrpc Al Viro
2018-01-18  3:16                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18  4:43                     ` Al Viro
2018-01-18 16:29                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-18 17:10                         ` Al Viro
2018-01-18 19:31                       ` Al Viro
2018-01-18 19:37                         ` [PATCH 01/10] net: separate SIOCGIFCONF handling from dev_ioctl() Al Viro
2018-01-18 19:37                           ` [PATCH 02/10] devinet_ioctl(): take copyin/copyout to caller Al Viro
2018-01-22 16:40                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-18 19:37                           ` [PATCH 03/10] ip_rt_ioctl(): take copyin " Al Viro
2018-01-22 16:43                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-18 19:37                           ` [PATCH 04/10] kill dev_ifsioc() Al Viro
2018-01-22 16:47                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-18 19:37                           ` [PATCH 05/10] kill bond_ioctl() Al Viro
2018-01-22 16:48                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-18 19:37                           ` [PATCH 06/10] kill dev_ifname32() Al Viro
2018-01-18 19:37                           ` [PATCH 07/10] lift handling of SIOCIW... out of dev_ioctl() Al Viro
2018-01-18 19:37                           ` [PATCH 08/10] ipconfig: use dev_set_mtu() Al Viro
2018-01-18 19:37                           ` [PATCH 09/10] dev_ioctl(): move copyin/copyout to callers Al Viro
2018-01-18 19:37                           ` [PATCH 10/10] kill kernel_sock_ioctl() Al Viro
2018-01-22 16:49                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-24 20:52                             ` David Miller
2018-01-25  0:01                               ` Al Viro
2018-01-25  0:21                                 ` Al Viro
2018-01-25  4:11                                 ` David Miller
2018-01-22 16:40                           ` [PATCH 01/10] net: separate SIOCGIFCONF handling from dev_ioctl() Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-18 20:33                         ` [RFC][PATCH] get rid of the use of set_fs() (by way of kernel_recvmsg()) in sunrpc Al Viro
2018-01-19  3:27                         ` Al Viro
2018-01-17 19:26               ` [PATCH v3 8/9] x86: use __uaccess_begin_nospec and ASM_IFENCE in get_user paths Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 20:01                 ` Eric Dumazet
2018-01-18 16:38                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-18 16:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18 18:12                     ` Al Viro
2018-01-17  4:30         ` Dan Williams
2018-01-17  6:28           ` Al Viro
2018-01-17  6:50             ` Dan Williams
2018-01-17 10:07               ` David Laight [this message]
2018-01-17 18:12               ` Dan Williams
2018-01-17 19:16           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-13 18:18 ` [PATCH v3 9/9] vfs, fdtable: prevent bounds-check bypass via speculative execution Dan Williams

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