From: Steve Lord <lord@sgi.com>
To: Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <garzik@havoc.gtf.org>, Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@zip.com.au>, Ricardo Galli <gallir@uib.es>,
Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: O_DIRECT fails in some kernel and FS
Date: 04 Feb 2002 09:15:30 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1012835730.26397.519.camel@jen.americas.sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020203224406.GA17396@tapu.f00f.org>
In-Reply-To: <1012597538.26363.443.camel@jen.americas.sgi.com> <20020202093554.GA7207@tapu.f00f.org> <234710000.1012674008@tiny> <20020202205438.D3807@athlon.random> <242700000.1012680610@tiny> <3C5C4929.5080403@sgi.com> <20020202155028.B26147@havoc.gtf.org> <3C5D3DE9.4080503@sgi.com> <20020203140926.GA14532@tapu.f00f.org> <3C5D51A0.4050509@sgi.com> <20020203224406.GA17396@tapu.f00f.org>
On Sun, 2002-02-03 at 16:44, Chris Wedgwood wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 09:05:04AM -0600, Stephen Lord wrote:
>
> but page faults are not blocked out for the duration of the I/O so
> the coherency is weak.
>
> I was thinking this would also be goof, basically invalidate those
> pages and remove them from the VMAs, marking them as unusable pending
> IO completion --- the logic her being if you were to fault on an
> invalidated page during IO you deserve to block indefinitely until the
> IO completes.
>
> However, if an application is doing a combination of mmapped and
> direct I/O to a file at the same time, then it should generally
> have some form of user space synchronization anyway.
>
> I hadn't considered that. I imagined an application doing either but
> not both, and the kernel enforcing this. However, in the case when
> you want to mmap a large file, you may want to manipulate some pages
> using mmap whilst writing others with O_DIRECT. Although, in such
> cases arguably you could using multiple mapping's.
>
>
If an application is single threaded then it cannot be doing both at
the same time - so all we need to do is flush and invalidate mappings
at the start of I/O. This is really only needed for the range covered by
the direct read/write.
If an application is multithreaded and is doing mmap and direct I/O
from different threads without doing its own synchronization, then it
is broken, there is no ordering guarantee provided by the kernel as
to what happens first.
>
> --cw
Steve
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-02-04 15:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-02-01 20:37 Ricardo Galli
2002-02-01 20:44 ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-01 20:49 ` Ricardo Galli
2002-02-01 20:57 ` Andrew Morton
2002-02-02 17:14 ` Christoph Hellwig
2002-02-01 21:05 ` Steve Lord
2002-02-02 9:35 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-02 10:25 ` Hans Reiser
2002-02-02 15:24 ` Chris Mason
2002-02-02 18:20 ` Chris Mason
2002-02-02 19:54 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2002-02-02 20:10 ` Chris Mason
2002-02-02 20:16 ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-02 20:50 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-03 13:40 ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-03 14:09 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-03 15:05 ` Stephen Lord
2002-02-03 22:44 ` Chris Wedgwood
2002-02-04 15:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-04 15:21 ` Chris Mason
2002-02-04 15:15 ` Steve Lord [this message]
2002-02-04 15:46 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-04 16:02 ` Steve Lord
2002-02-04 18:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-04 19:11 ` Steve Lord
2002-02-04 18:29 ` Joel Becker
2002-02-04 18:49 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-04 18:55 ` Joel Becker
2002-02-04 19:16 ` Jeff Garzik
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2002-02-03 7:26 ` Andi Kleen
2002-02-04 15:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-02-04 15:31 ` Chris Mason
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