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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@redhat.com>, jw schultz <jw@pegasys.ws>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: wait queue process state
Date: 29 May 2002 13:43:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1022676201.9255.160.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2338.1022669938@redhat.com>

On Wed, 2002-05-29 at 11:58, David Woodhouse wrote:
> Broken software can be fixed.

Given an infinite number of monkeys yes. The 'disk I/O is not
interruptible' assumption is buried in vast amounts of software. This
isnt a case of sorting out a few misbehaving applications, you can start
with some of the most basic unix programs like 'ed' and work outwards.

> There are few excuses for uninterruptible sleep.
> Most of them are 'I was too lazy to write the cleanup path.'

>From an abstract point of view there is no need for uninterruptible
sleep since an uninterruptible sleep can be considered an interruptible
sleep which clones a recovery thread and returns -EINTR, plus a little
locking if needed.

> What I'd _really_ like at the moment is an option to allow read_inode() to
> be interruptible. Currently there's no way for it to exit without leaving a
> bad inode behind, which prevents the _next_ iget() for that inode from
> actually succeeding.

If I remember rightly stat() is not interruptible anyway. I don't
actually argue with the general claim. If I was redesigning unix right
now I would have no blocking calls, just 'start_xyz' and wait/notify.

However the unix api as defined has certain limitations and assumptions
we can pretty much never change. Open with O_INTR maybe would work ?

Alan


  reply	other threads:[~2002-05-29 11:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-05-27 21:11 Joseph Cordina
2002-05-27 15:49 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-05-28  7:57 ` Terje Eggestad
2002-05-28 23:01   ` jw schultz
2002-05-28 23:05     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2002-05-29  0:21       ` Alan Cox
2002-05-29 10:58         ` David Woodhouse
2002-05-29 12:43           ` Alan Cox [this message]
2002-05-29 11:55             ` Roman Zippel
2002-05-29 13:29               ` Alan Cox
2002-05-29 11:56             ` David Woodhouse
2002-05-31 19:05               ` Theodore Ts'o
2002-05-29 11:25       ` Trond Myklebust

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