From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Marc-Christian Petersen <m.c.p@wolk-project.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: IDE?
Date: 17 Aug 2002 21:04:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1029614655.4647.42.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020816170908.G31052@work.bitmover.com>
On Sat, 2002-08-17 at 01:09, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > I actually don't think it's the people as much as it is the ridiculous
> > linkages inside ide.c and the hugely complicated rules. The code is messy.
>
> So of all the people you know floating around in "active hacker" state, who
> seems like the sort of person who could handle this mess? If there is no
> person, is there a description which is more specific than "wanted: person
> who wants thankless abusive non-payed job to clean up what is inherently a
> mess"?
IMHO you need
- An understanding of ATA (which is the protocol
equivalent of object oriented cobol)
- The ability to work with vendors (it needs to be someone
at a company because many vendors won't NDA with
individuals even if they are happy with GPL code off
their data sheet)
- Someone who has taste in code and understands how to
beat code into shape without breaking it
- The ability to deduce the other errata the vendor forgot
to tell you about or doesn't want to admit exists for
fear of US lawsuits (I kid you not)
- A good understanding of the block layer and its locking
especially because IDE has a heirarchy of contention
problems:
two drives one bus
two channels one DMA engine
two controllers one I/O at a time
ISA IRQ sharing locks
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-08-17 20:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-08-16 22:59 IDE? Marc-Christian Petersen
2002-08-16 23:34 ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-16 23:36 ` IDE? Larry McVoy
2002-08-17 0:02 ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-17 0:06 ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-17 1:04 ` IDE? Alexander Viro
2002-08-17 1:35 ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2001-11-02 7:36 ` IDE? Pavel Machek
2002-08-17 2:32 ` IDE? Alexander Viro
2002-08-17 9:21 ` IDE? Andries Brouwer
2002-08-17 8:22 ` IDE? Russell King
2002-08-17 21:59 ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-18 0:52 ` IDE? Russell King
2002-08-18 10:03 ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-17 11:08 ` IDE? Rogier Wolff
2002-08-17 14:39 ` IDE? Mike Dresser
2002-08-17 18:16 ` IDE? Jan-Benedict Glaw
2002-08-17 18:18 ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-17 18:30 ` IDE? Anton Altaparmakov
2002-08-17 18:30 ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-19 13:57 ` IDE? Dana Lacoste
2002-08-19 14:04 ` IDE? Tomas Szepe
2002-08-19 14:15 ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-19 17:09 ` IDE? Willy Tarreau
2002-08-19 23:29 ` IDE? Thunder from the hill
2002-08-20 7:47 ` IDE? Sean Neakums
2002-08-20 8:04 ` IDE-DGD update Andre Hedrick
2002-08-17 0:09 ` IDE? Larry McVoy
2002-08-17 20:04 ` Alan Cox [this message]
2002-08-17 20:00 ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-17 0:33 ` IDE? Andries Brouwer
2002-08-17 1:21 ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-17 0:01 ` IDE? Anton Altaparmakov
2002-08-17 0:07 ` IDE? Anton Altaparmakov
2002-08-17 0:10 ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-17 8:25 ` IDE? Jens Axboe
2002-08-17 19:56 ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-17 22:11 ` IDE? Anton Altaparmakov
2002-08-17 22:17 ` IDE? Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-08-17 23:17 ` IDE? John Weber
2002-08-18 2:35 ` IDE? Thomas Molina
2002-08-18 1:41 ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-18 1:58 ` IDE? Alexander Viro
2002-08-18 11:15 ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-18 12:16 ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-21 10:17 ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-21 13:20 ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-21 13:27 ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-21 14:06 ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-21 14:14 ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-17 0:18 ` IDE? Rik van Riel
2002-08-17 2:08 ` IDE? Andrew Morton
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-08-18 23:57 IDE? Adam J. Richter
2002-08-18 22:49 IDE? Adam J. Richter
2002-08-18 23:38 ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-19 20:23 ` IDE? Timothy D. Witham
2002-08-19 20:40 ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-19 21:03 ` IDE? Daniel Egger
2002-08-20 18:58 ` IDE? Gunther Mayer
2002-08-21 7:32 ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-19 20:10 ` IDE? Timothy D. Witham
2002-08-17 13:02 IDE? Adam J. Richter
2002-08-17 13:22 ` IDE? Alexander Kellett
2002-08-17 17:37 ` IDE? Andre Hedrick
2002-08-17 19:51 ` IDE? Alan Cox
2002-08-18 12:43 ` IDE? Alexander Kellett
2002-08-17 18:26 ` IDE? Andreas Dilger
2002-08-19 9:54 ` IDE? Vojtech Pavlik
2002-08-16 21:00 IDE? Martin J. Bligh
2002-08-16 21:28 ` IDE? Linus Torvalds
2002-08-17 11:52 ` IDE? Matthias Andree
2002-08-17 12:08 ` IDE? Russell King
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