From: "Trever L. Adams" <tadams-lists@myrealbox.com>
To: Stephen Satchell <list@fluent2.pyramid.net>
Cc: Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Honest does not pay here ...
Date: 06 Jan 2003 02:40:16 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1041838816.1045.4.camel@aurora.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030105173556.01e30560@fluent2.pyramid.net>
On Sun, 2003-01-05 at 20:43, Stephen Satchell wrote:
> As I see it, Andre's problems are a little tougher because there isn't a
> choice of alternatives to the IP that he incorporates in his product, if
> I'm reading his contributions correctly. (I've not followed the arguments
> closely, so I could very well be in need of disabusement of my incorrect
> notions.)
>
> I'm surprised Richard Stallman didn't remind everyone of the thing that
> started the whole argument for free software: his inability to drive a
> laser printer because of closed, unpublished specifications. I won't put
> words in his mouth (RMS is more than capable of speaking for himself) but
> his concern is if the company goes away and there are problems with the
> binary-only module, then people will be forced to junk the hardware or live
> with the problems.
>
> Ok, I'll go back to my hole now.
>
> Satch
I guess a question then might be this: Andrea, I understand your stance
of needing to make a decent living and fund development. I think Satch
has a point about the company going away (or the Bus problem... as in
something happens to you). Is there any way you can feasibly (legal and
monetary concerns included) do a kind of code escrow so if such happens,
your code becomes GPL/BSD?
BTW, I may be somewhat out of understanding here. From what I have been
reading it seems the following is true:
1) Andre is making drivers for hardware or protocols
2) He is making them closed until he recoups his costs (I saw 18 mos
somewhere as the time needed...)
3) He then will open them up
If I am wrong, sorry, but this should say where I am seeing all this
from.
Also, I see the following...
1) The problem lies with him including kernel headers (I didn't think
magic numbers and such were really coverable by copyright... so unless
we are talking macros... where is the problem).
2) Interfaces are reverse engineer-able under US law for
interoperability purposes (DMCA may have muddied this)
3) The Interface calls (sys-calls etc.) are LGPL...
So where is the real problem here?
Trever
--
One O.S. to rule them all, One O.S. to find them. One O.S. to bring them
all and in the darkness bind them.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-01-06 7:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-01-05 20:21 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 20:29 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-05 22:28 ` Trever L. Adams
2003-01-06 0:01 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-06 0:15 ` Trever L. Adams
2003-01-06 1:43 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-01-06 7:40 ` Trever L. Adams [this message]
2003-01-06 8:37 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-06 2:03 ` Ian Molton
2003-01-06 3:14 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-06 4:31 ` Patches for nVidia drivers + 2.5.54 (Was Re: Honest does not pay here ...) Brian Davids
2003-01-06 2:18 ` Honest does not pay here jw schultz
2003-01-06 1:03 ` Larry McVoy
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-13 0:18 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-12 9:27 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-12 10:25 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-12 13:52 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-08 7:29 Hell.Surfers
2003-01-08 20:59 ` Philip Dodd
2003-01-09 23:27 ` Bill Davidsen
[not found] <Pine.LNX.3.96.1030107112017.15952A-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com>
2003-01-07 20:04 ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-06 2:08 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 12:34 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 19:31 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-01-05 12:26 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 14:51 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-05 15:33 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-05 20:07 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-05 15:45 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-05 0:25 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 3:21 ` Paul Jakma
2003-01-05 11:24 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-05 15:53 ` Matthew Zahorik
2003-01-05 18:16 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-05 19:47 ` Bruce Harada
2003-01-05 20:06 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-05 22:54 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 18:09 Adam J. Richter
2003-01-05 22:03 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-05 22:53 ` David van Hoose
2003-01-05 23:14 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-06 0:22 ` David van Hoose
2003-01-06 9:31 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2003-01-06 23:41 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-06 23:59 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-07 0:07 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-07 0:51 ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-07 9:57 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-07 11:21 ` Alexander Kellett
2003-01-07 23:04 ` Daniel Egger
2003-01-07 1:24 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 10:07 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2003-01-07 12:44 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-12 23:36 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 16:32 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-01-07 17:21 ` Ryan Anderson
2003-01-07 18:33 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-07 19:24 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-01-07 20:58 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-07 23:09 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-08 0:24 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-07 23:35 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 23:33 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 14:24 ` Dana Lacoste
2003-01-07 23:28 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-08 0:24 ` venom
2003-01-08 0:30 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-08 0:54 ` venom
2003-01-08 1:10 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-08 10:08 ` venom
2003-01-08 11:05 ` Andre Hedrick
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.10.10301080249330.421-100000@master.linux-ide.o rg>
2003-01-08 15:25 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-01-08 1:10 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-08 1:41 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-08 14:59 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-10 14:30 ` Pavel Machek
2003-01-04 17:05 Billy Rose
2003-01-04 14:12 Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 14:22 ` Murray J. Root
2003-01-04 14:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-01-04 14:49 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-04 15:28 ` Rik van Riel
2003-01-04 20:48 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-04 20:56 ` Mark Rutherford
2003-01-04 17:06 ` Steve Lee
2003-01-04 18:38 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-04 21:50 ` brian
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