From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264330AbTL0Gvx (ORCPT ); Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:51:53 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S265333AbTL0Gvx (ORCPT ); Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:51:53 -0500 Received: from [64.65.177.98] ([64.65.177.98]:17397 "EHLO mail.pacrimopen.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264330AbTL0Gvv (ORCPT ); Sat, 27 Dec 2003 01:51:51 -0500 Subject: Re: 2.7 (future kernel) wish From: Joshua Schmidlkofer To: "David B. Stevens" Cc: Helge Hafting , Jos Hulzink , Linux Kernel Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3FECCAF9.7070209@maine.rr.com> References: <200312232342.17532.josh@stack.nl> <20031226233855.GA476@hh.idb.hist.no> <3FECCAF9.7070209@maine.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1072507896.27022.226.camel@menion.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2003 22:51:36 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2003-12-26 at 15:57, David B. Stevens wrote: > While I agree that the kernel should provide decent error handling and > reporting I still have to ask questions about what is reasonable. > > What does that other OS do when you pull a USB stick out? What do you > think the kernel should do? Why don't the applications operating on the > data take better care of handling error conditions? > > I don't have one here to try, but at some point the (ab)user needs to > take a bit of the heat for his or her action(s) or lack thereof. > > After all you could just reach in your case and rip out the IDE or SCSI > cables. Bet that leads to all kinds of stuff (tm). > > Cheers, > Dave > > > Helge Hafting wrote: > > >On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 11:42:17PM +0100, Jos Hulzink wrote: > > > > > >>Hi, > >> > >>First of all... Compliments about 2.6.0. It is a superb kernel, with very few > >>serious bugs, and for me it runs stable like a rock from the very first > >>moment. > >> > >>As an end user, Linux doesn't give me a good feeling on one particular item > >>yet: Error handling. > >> > >>What do I mean ? Well... for example: Pull out your USB stick with a mounted > >>fs on it. > >> > >> > > > >You aren't supposed to do that. If you want to pull devices like that, > >with no warning, access them in other ways than mounting. > >mtools are nice when you don't want to mount/umount floppies - a > >similiar approach should work for usb sticks too. > > > > > > > >Helge Hafting > >- > >To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > >the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > >More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > >Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > > Sometimes Windows 2k or XP dump (BSOD), or maybe you just get an error. -- VB programmers ask why no one takes them seriously, it's somewhat akin to a McDonalds manager asking employees why they don't take their 'career' seriously.