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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjanv@redhat.com>
To: Scott Long <scott_long@adaptec.com>
Cc: Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz <B.Zolnierkiewicz@elka.pw.edu.pl>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	"Justin T. Gibbs" <gibbs@scsiguy.com>,
	linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, "Gibbs,
	Justin" <justin_gibbs@adaptec.com>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: "Enhanced" MD code avaible for review
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:07:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1079788027.5225.4.camel@laptop.fenrus.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4058EBEC.8070309@adaptec.com>

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> With DM, what happens when your initrd gets accidentally corrupted?

What happens if your vmlinuz accidentally gets corrupted? If your initrd
is toast the module for your root fs doesn't load either. Duh.

> What happens when the kernel and userland pieces get out of sync?
> Maybe you are booting off of a single drive and only using DM arrays
> for secondary storage, but maybe you're not.  If something goes wrong
> with DM, how do you boot?

If you loose 10 disks out of your raid array, how do you boot ?

> 
> Secondly, our target here is to interoperate with hardware components
> that run outside the scope of Linux.  The HostRAID or DDF BIOS is
> going to create an array using it's own format.  It's not going to
> have any knowledge of DM config files, 

DM doesn't need/use config files.
> initrd, ramfs, etc.  However,
> the end user is still going to expect to be able to seamlessly install
> onto that newly created array, maybe move that array to another system,
> whatever, and have it all Just Work.  Has anyone heard of a hardware
> RAID card that requires you to run OS-specific commands in order to
> access the arrays on it?  Of course not.  The point here is to make
> software raid just as easy to the end user.

And that is an easy task for distribution makers (or actually the people
who make the initrd creation software).

I'm sorry, I'm not buying your arguments and consider 100% the wrong
direction. I'm hoping that someone with a bit more time than me will
write the DDF device mapper target so that I can use it for my
kernels... ;)


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-03-20 13:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <459805408.1079547261@aslan.scsiguy.com>
2004-03-17 19:18 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 19:32   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-03-17 20:02     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:18   ` Scott Long
2004-03-17 21:35     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-17 21:45     ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18  0:23       ` Scott Long
2004-03-18  1:55         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-18  6:38         ` Stefan Smietanowski
2004-03-20 13:07         ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2004-03-21 23:42           ` Scott Long
2004-03-22  9:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-22 21:59               ` Scott Long
2004-03-22 22:22                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-23  6:48                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-03-18  1:56     ` viro
     [not found] <1AOTW-4Vx-7@gated-at.bofh.it>
     [not found] ` <1AOTW-4Vx-5@gated-at.bofh.it>
2004-03-18  1:33   ` Andi Kleen
2004-03-18  2:00     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-20  9:58       ` Jamie Lokier
2004-03-19 20:19 Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-23  5:05 ` Neil Brown
2004-03-23  6:23   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-24  2:26     ` Neil Brown
2004-03-24 19:09       ` Matt Domsch
2004-03-25  2:21       ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:00         ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-25 18:42           ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 18:48             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 23:46               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:01                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26  0:10                   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:14                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-25 22:04             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26 19:19               ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-31 17:07                 ` Randy.Dunlap
2004-03-25 23:35             ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-26  0:13               ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26 17:43                 ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28  0:06                   ` Lincoln Dale
2004-03-30 17:54                     ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-28  0:30                   ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-26 19:15             ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-26 20:45               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-27 15:39                 ` Kevin Corry
2004-03-30 17:03                   ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:15                     ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 17:35                       ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 17:46                         ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:04                           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 21:47                             ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 22:12                               ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-30 22:34                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-03-30 18:11                         ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-03-25 22:59           ` Justin T. Gibbs
2004-03-25 23:44             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2004-03-26  0:03               ` Justin T. Gibbs

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