From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S265932AbUH0XBn (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:01:43 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S266539AbUH0XBn (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:01:43 -0400 Received: from gate.firmix.at ([80.109.18.208]:43500 "EHLO gate.firmix.at") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S265932AbUH0XBf (ORCPT ); Fri, 27 Aug 2004 19:01:35 -0400 Subject: Re: Summarizing the PWC driver questions/answers From: Bernd Petrovitsch To: Kenneth Lavrsen Cc: Jesper Juhl , Greg KH , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20040827233253.01c36210@inet.uni2.dk> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20040827215445.01c4ddb0@inet.uni2.dk> <6.1.2.0.2.20040827233253.01c36210@inet.uni2.dk> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: http://www.firmix.at/ Message-Id: <1093647676.17366.14.camel@gimli.at.home> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2004 01:01:19 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 00:08, Kenneth Lavrsen wrote: > > I have boxes where I can't run the latest version > >of AIX any more since the hardware is no longer supported, but you don't > >see me ripping IBM's head off for that reason. BTW Sun did similar things with Solaris somewhere aroung 2.6 IIRC. > Ehhh????? No comment. Why? [...] > Why not let the current driver be and then work on the alternative? > Why is it so important that it is removed now? Because the driver's maintainer wanted it. > Linus indicated that since Nemosoft had asked for his driver to be removed > noone else could take the sources as they are and add them again. So any > altertive would be a start from scratch? Or did I misunderstand this? Yes, anyone - including you - can take over the maintanance of the GPL-part of driver. Even if the former maintainer does not like it. > That can take years. So I cannot update my kernel for years? > How many normal users knows even how to compile their own kernel? > You guys on this list talk as if anyone knows how to write a kernel module. > I think most of you have lost contact with the real users. No, they complain all around all the time. I don't think one can loose contact eeven if he wishes. The point is: This is GPL software - either you do something, or someone else does something or nothing is done. Whining doesn't help that much compared to writing code. > >And why is it you expect open source developers to assist in supporting > >binary only drivers? > > I am just asking for you guys to not DESTROY what is already there without > an alternative. It is not destroyed, it is only in another place. Find it and put it back whereever you need it. Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services