From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: john stultz <johnstul@us.ibm.com>
Cc: George Anzinger <george@mvista.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <andrea@suse.de>,
Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
Zwane Mwaikambo <zwane@arm.linux.org.uk>,
Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] dynamic tick patch
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 06:56:59 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1106200619.16877.285.camel@tglx.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1106178329.21490.19.camel@cog.beaverton.ibm.com>
On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 15:45 -0800, john stultz wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-01-20 at 00:26 +0100, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-01-19 at 14:59 -0800, George Anzinger wrote:
> > > I don't think you will ever get good time if you EVER reprogramm the PIT.
> >
> > Why not ? If you have a continous time source, which keeps track of
> > "ticks" regardless the CPU state, why should PIT reprogramming be evil ?
>
> That's a big if. The problem is that while the PIT has its problems
> (such as lost ticks), it runs at a known frequency and is reasonably
> accurate. Time sources like the TSC have the problem that it doesn't run
> at a known frequency, and thus we have to calibrate it (usually using
> the PIT). Unfortunately this calibration is not extremely accurate
> (George can go on to the reasons why), which causes the TSC to be a poor
> stand alone time source.
>
> That said, the PIT is a poor time source as well, as it does loose ticks
> and is very slow to access. ACPI PM and HPET are better as they don't
> have the lost tick problem, but they are still off chip and slower to
> access then the TSC.
And they aren't available on every board - especially not on embedded
ones.
> For an example of your ideal continuous timesource, check out the
> timebase on PPC/PPC64. Other arches also have similar well behaved time
> hardware.
Yes, I'm aware of that. Unfortunately we live in the x86 universe.
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-01-20 5:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-01-19 0:05 Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 0:22 ` Lee Revell
2005-01-19 1:04 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 4:21 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-01-19 5:07 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 5:21 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 5:44 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-01-19 6:26 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 9:45 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-19 5:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-01-19 6:37 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 7:08 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-01-19 7:31 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 14:11 ` Stephen Frost
2005-01-19 17:17 ` Tony Lindgren
[not found] ` <OFDC470564.D4624EB3-ON41256F8E.00512848-41256F8E.005428CC@de.ibm.com>
2005-01-19 17:37 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 9:43 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-19 17:13 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 17:48 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-19 18:19 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 19:12 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-19 19:17 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 19:34 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 22:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2005-01-19 22:59 ` George Anzinger
2005-01-19 23:17 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-20 0:24 ` George Anzinger
2005-01-20 8:04 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-20 23:10 ` George Anzinger
2005-01-21 17:35 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-21 20:23 ` George Anzinger
2005-01-19 23:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-01-19 23:45 ` john stultz
2005-01-20 5:56 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2005-01-20 0:39 ` George Anzinger
2005-01-20 3:15 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-01-19 11:36 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-19 17:11 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 17:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-01-19 17:41 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 22:06 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-19 23:08 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 23:46 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-19 23:53 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 23:59 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-20 0:07 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-20 0:44 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-20 0:54 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-20 7:39 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-19 22:20 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-20 4:02 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-01-21 17:48 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-21 18:27 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-01-21 18:38 ` Tony Lindgren
2005-01-21 18:54 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-21 21:23 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-01-21 21:29 ` Pavel Machek
2005-01-21 20:25 ` George Anzinger
2005-01-21 21:38 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-01-22 7:24 ` George Anzinger
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