From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Cc: Chris Wright <chrisw@osdl.org>,
"Jack O'Quin" <jack.oquin@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Paul Davis <paul@linuxaudiosystems.com>,
Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>,
rlrevell@joe-job.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: 2.6.11-rc3-mm2
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 13:22:36 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1108088557.5098.28.camel@npiggin-nld.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050211020956.GC15058@waste.org>
On Thu, 2005-02-10 at 18:09 -0800, Matt Mackall wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2005 at 04:47:27PM -0800, Chris Wright wrote:
> > * Matt Mackall (mpm@selenic.com) wrote:
> > > What happened to the RT rlimit code from Chris?
> >
> > I still have it, but I had the impression Ingo didn't like it as a long
> > term solution/hack (albeit small) to the scheduler. Whereas the rt-lsm
> > patch is wholly self-contained.
>
> I think it's important to recognize that we're trying to address an
> issue that has a much wider potential audience than pro audio users,
> and not very far off - what is high end audio performance today will be
> expected desktop performance next year.
>
> So I think it's critical that we find solution that's appropriate for
> _every single box_, because realistically vendors are going to ship
> with this "wholly self-contained" feature turned on by default next
> year, at which point the "containment" will be nil and whatever warts
> it has will be with us forever.
>
> The rlimit stuff is not perfect, but it's a much better fit for the
> UNIX model generally, which is a fairly big win. Having it in the
> system unconditionally doesn't trigger the gag reflex in quite the
> same way as the LSM approach.
>
Without considering the userspace aspect, RT rlimits is the best
implementation I have seen. All others either break RT scheduling
semantics, or don't allow any way for root to maintain control of
the system after giving out RT privileges.
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Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-02-10 20:51 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Jack O'Quin
2005-02-11 0:04 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Matt Mackall
2005-02-11 0:47 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Chris Wright
2005-02-11 2:09 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Matt Mackall
2005-02-11 2:22 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2005-02-11 3:26 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Peter Williams
2005-02-11 3:41 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Paul Davis
2005-02-11 5:04 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Nick Piggin
2005-02-11 6:34 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Peter Williams
2005-02-11 6:42 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Nick Piggin
2005-02-11 5:09 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Peter Williams
2005-02-11 6:57 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Matt Mackall
2005-02-11 7:54 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Ingo Molnar
2005-02-11 8:25 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Matt Mackall
2005-02-11 8:48 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Ingo Molnar
2005-02-11 8:58 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Matt Mackall
2005-02-11 9:01 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Ingo Molnar
2005-02-11 9:04 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Ingo Molnar
2005-02-11 9:27 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Matt Mackall
2005-02-11 17:49 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Paul Davis
2005-02-11 19:42 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Matt Mackall
2005-02-11 19:57 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Lee Revell
2005-02-11 8:14 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Ingo Molnar
2005-02-11 8:22 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Christoph Hellwig
2005-02-11 8:41 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Matt Mackall
2005-02-11 8:59 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Ingo Molnar
2005-02-11 9:40 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Matt Mackall
2005-02-11 9:53 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Ingo Molnar
2005-02-11 17:37 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Matt Mackall
2005-02-11 17:49 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Ingo Molnar
2005-02-11 20:10 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Matt Mackall
2005-02-11 17:45 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Paul Davis
2005-02-14 5:21 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Werner Almesberger
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-10 10:35 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Andrew Morton
2005-02-10 13:35 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Christoph Hellwig
2005-02-10 20:01 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Andrew Morton
2005-02-12 22:43 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Olaf Dietsche
2005-02-10 22:13 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Corey Minyard
2005-02-10 22:42 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-02-10 23:02 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Andrew Morton
2005-02-10 23:31 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2005-02-10 23:17 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Adrian Bunk
2005-02-11 16:29 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Yuval Tanny
2005-02-12 14:53 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Henning Rohde
2005-02-14 13:22 ` 2.6.11-rc3-mm2 Stefano Rivoir
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