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From: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
To: Esben Nielsen <simlo@phys.au.dk>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:14:30 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1112271270.3691.209.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.OSF.4.05.10503311301210.11827-100000@da410.phys.au.dk>

On Thu, 2005-03-31 at 13:03 +0100, Esben Nielsen wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Mar 2005, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> > 
> > * Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > Well, here it finally is. There's still things I don't like about it. 
> > > But it seems to work, and that's the important part.
> > > 
> > > I had to reluctantly add two items to the task_struct.  I was hoping 
> > > to avoid that. But because of race conditions it seemed to be the only 
> > > way.
> > 
> > well it's not a big problem, and we avoided having to add flags to the 
> > rt_lock structure, which is the important issue.
> > 
> I was going to say the opposit. I know that there are many more rt_locks
> locks around and the fields thus will take more memory when put there but
> I believe it is more logical to have the fields there.

It seems logical to be there, but in practicality, it's not. 

The problem is that the flags represent a state of the task with respect
to a single lock.  When the task loses ownership of a lock, the state of
the task changes. But the the lock has a different state at that moment
(it has a new onwner).  Now when it releases the lock, it might give the
lock to another task, and that becomes the pending owner. Now the state
of the lock is the same as in the beginning. But the first task needs to
see this change.

You can still pull this off by testing the state of the lock and compare
it to the current owner, but I too like the fact that you don't increase
the size of the kernel statically.  There are a lot more locks in the
kernel than tasks on most systems. And those systems that will have more
tasks than locks, need a lot of memory anyway.  So we only punish the
big systems (that expect to be punished) and keep the little guys safe.

-- Steve



  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-31 12:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-19 19:16 [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-00 Ingo Molnar
2005-03-20  0:24 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-21 15:42   ` K.R. Foley
2005-03-20  1:33 ` Lee Revell
2005-03-20  1:50   ` K.R. Foley
2005-03-20  4:32     ` Lee Revell
2005-03-20 22:40       ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-20 17:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-21  8:53   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-21  9:01     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-21  9:06       ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-01 Ingo Molnar
2005-03-21 23:10         ` Magnus Naeslund(t)
2005-03-22  5:40           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  8:50             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 13:56             ` Magnus Naeslund(t)
2005-03-23  5:46               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  5:43         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-22  7:24           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22  9:23             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22  9:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 10:01                 ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-05 Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 11:28                   ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07 Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22 15:06                     ` K.R. Foley
2005-03-22 18:05                     ` Magnus Naeslund(t)
2005-03-23  6:16                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  6:33                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  6:37                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  6:06                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  7:16                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  7:54                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-23  7:58                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  8:29                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2005-03-23  9:03                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  6:45                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23 21:46                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  6:59                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  6:38                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  9:38                         ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-23  9:49                           ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-24  6:52                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  5:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  5:34                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24  7:46                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-24  8:31                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24  8:47                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24 10:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 11:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 14:33                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24 17:51                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 18:17                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-24 23:05                                   ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-25  6:19                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-26 16:31                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-26 19:11                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-26 16:04                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30  6:31                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30  6:50                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-30 16:46                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30 19:44                                             ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-30 19:56                                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30 21:39                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-30 21:43                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 11:03                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 12:03                                                     ` Esben Nielsen
2005-03-31 12:14                                                       ` Steven Rostedt [this message]
2005-03-31 13:33                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 12:22                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 12:36                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 12:58                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 13:28                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 12:49                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 14:10                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 17:41                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-31 17:49                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-31 18:17                                                             ` Gene Heskett
2005-03-31 21:00                                                               ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07 (update) Gene Heskett
2005-03-31 20:22                                                             ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-07 Steven Rostedt
2005-04-01  0:59                                                             ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-01  4:43                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-01  5:13                                                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-01  5:19                                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-01 12:27                                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-07 21:21                                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2005-04-10 10:31                                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-10 15:06                                                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-03-24 10:42                               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-23  9:40                       ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-23  9:48                         ` Herbert Xu
2005-03-23  5:23                   ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-05 Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  4:48                 ` [patch] Real-Time Preemption, -RT-2.6.12-rc1-V0.7.41-01 Paul E. McKenney
2005-03-23  6:21                   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-03-22  8:59           ` Ingo Molnar

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