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From: Daniel McNeil <daniel@osdl.org>
To: Lars Marowsky-Bree <lmb@suse.de>
Cc: David Teigland <teigland@redhat.com>,
	Steven Dake <sdake@mvista.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1b/7] dlm: core locking
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 09:39:22 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1114706362.18352.85.camel@ibm-c.pdx.osdl.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20050428123315.GP21645@marowsky-bree.de>

On Thu, 2005-04-28 at 05:33, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> On 2005-04-27T22:26:38, David Teigland <teigland@redhat.com> wrote:
<snip>
> 
> > > And, I assume that the delivery of a "node down" membership event
> > > implies that said node also has been fenced.
> > Typically it does if you're combining the dlm with something that requires
> > fencing (like a file system).  Fencing isn't relevant to the dlm itself,
> > though, since the dlm software isn't touching any storage.
> 
> Ack. Good point, I was thinking too much in terms of GFS/OCFS2 here ;-)
> 

Since a DLM is a distributed lock manager, its usage is entirely for
locking some shared resource (might not be storage, might be shared
state, shared data, etc).   If the DLM can grant a lock, but not
guarantee that other nodes (including the ones that have been kicked
out of the cluster membership) do not have a conflicting DLM lock, then
any applications that depend on the DLM for protection/coordination
be in trouble.  Doesn't the GFS code depend on the DLM not being
recovered until after fencing of dead nodes?

Is there a existing DLM that does not depend on fencing? (you said
yours was modeled after the VMS DLM, didn't they depend on fencing?)

How would an application use a DLM that does not depend on fencing?

Thanks,

Daniel



 


  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-28 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-25 16:58 David Teigland
2005-04-25 18:34 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-04-25 20:44   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-25 22:27     ` Nikita Danilov
2005-04-26  1:34       ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-25 20:41 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-04-26  5:00   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-25 21:54 ` Steven Dake
2005-04-26  5:49   ` David Teigland
2005-04-26 17:40     ` Steven Dake
2005-04-26 22:24       ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-26 23:04         ` Steven Dake
2005-04-27  0:53           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-27  1:50             ` Steven Dake
2005-04-27  4:21               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-27  3:02       ` David Teigland
2005-04-27 13:41         ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-27 14:26           ` David Teigland
2005-04-28 12:33             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-28 16:39               ` Daniel McNeil [this message]
2005-04-28 16:45                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-29  8:25                   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-05-02 20:45                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-05-02 23:23                       ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-29  4:01                 ` David Teigland
2005-04-29 22:58                   ` Daniel McNeil
2005-04-30  4:29                     ` David Teigland
2005-04-30  9:09                     ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-30 10:32                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-30 11:12                         ` Daniel Phillips
2005-05-02 20:51                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-05-02 22:21                             ` Daniel Phillips
2005-05-05 12:25                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2005-05-05 12:40                         ` copy_to_user question linux
2005-05-05 13:13                           ` Richard B. Johnson
2005-05-05 19:29                         ` [PATCH 1b/7] dlm: core locking Daniel Phillips
2005-04-28  2:52           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-28 12:37             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-28 23:43               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-28  6:49           ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-28 12:55             ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-04-29  0:26               ` Daniel Phillips
2005-04-29  2:52                 ` David Teigland
2005-04-29  3:49                   ` Daniel Phillips
2005-05-02 21:00                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2005-05-03  2:54                       ` David Teigland
2005-04-27 12:33 ` Domen Puncer
2005-04-27 13:30   ` David Teigland

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