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From: Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
To: michael@optusnet.com.au
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>, Denis Vlasenko <vda@ilport.com.ua>,
	dean gaudet <dean-list-linux-kernel@arctic.org>,
	Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Benjamin LaHaise <bcrl@kvack.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] x86-64: Use SSE for copy_page and clear_page
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:01:39 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1117612899.5188.61.camel@npiggin-nld.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2zmuaee2z.fsf@mo.optusnet.com.au>

On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 17:22 +1000, michael@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de> writes:
> 

> > fork is only a corner case. The main case is a process allocating
> > memory using brk/mmap and then using it.
> 
> Key point: "using it". This normally involves writes to memory. Most
> applications don't commonly read memory that they haven't previously
> written to. (valgrind et al call that behaviour a "bug" :).

Then in that case you have doubled your memory bandwidth
requirement for those cachelines.

> 
> Given that, I'd say you really don't want the page zero routines
> touching the cache.
> 

The principle of locality-of-data (ie. the reason why caches
even work) says that you do ;)

Clearly some things benefit from not going through the cache.
But I don't think we should fundamentally change behaviour of
this *just* because it is worth a percent on kernel compiles.

Also, I think that trends in CPU design (more cache, further
from memory, multiple CPUs & cores) should favour stores
going to cache rather than straight to memory... But I'm
just speculating.

-- 
SUSE Labs, Novell Inc.



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-06-01  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-05-30 18:16 Benjamin LaHaise
2005-05-30 18:45 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-05-30 19:06 ` dean gaudet
2005-05-30 19:11   ` dean gaudet
2005-05-30 19:32     ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-31  8:37       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-05-31  9:15         ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-05-31  9:23           ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-31 13:59             ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-06-01  6:22               ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-01  6:47                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-01  7:22             ` michael
2005-06-01  7:48               ` Andi Kleen
2005-06-01  7:48               ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-06-01 21:46                 ` dean gaudet
2005-06-01  8:01               ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2005-05-30 19:38 ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-30 20:05   ` Michael Thonke
2005-05-30 20:14     ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-05-30 20:42       ` Michael Thonke
2005-05-31  7:11     ` Andi Kleen

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