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From: Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@firmix.at>
To: Coywolf Qi Hunt <qiyong@fc-cn.com>
Cc: Erik Mouw <erik@harddisk-recovery.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, dhommel@gmail.com
Subject: Re: syscall: sys_promote
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:53:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1125305608.4882.28.camel@tara.firmix.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4312C45D.4050801@fc-cn.com>

On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 16:16 +0800, Coywolf Qi Hunt wrote:
> Bernd Petrovitsch wrote:
[...]
> >(almost) every tool may become a security problem.
> >If you fear a bug in sudo, then write a minimal setuid wrapper for
> >yourself which checks for the user it started and exec's a binary (with
> >the full path name specified).
> >And even then - dependent on other details of the setup - you have the
> >gap of security problems (or misuse) because of holes in the security.
> 
> But if we make sure a tool doesn't introduce any new secrutiy problem, 
> that's good enough.

ACK. That's basically the idea behind "write 15 lines of C code and be
absolutely sure that there is no problem in there".

[...]
> >What does the user do if the process terminates (for whatever reason)
> >and must be restarted by the user (manually or auutomatically)?
> 
> If we worry that, we'd make a persistent OS instead.
> 
> >Basically I can see no need for "one time in history" actions. A daemon
> >can terminate and must be restarted (it may even be a software bug that
> >causes this and this doesn't change anything that the daemon's admin
> >must restart it *now*). The machine may reboot for whatever reason .... 
> 
> The US space shuttle certainly can auto pilot, so it doesn't need a 
> control panel.
> And If anything fails, NASA  just launch another ship?

I didn't realize that you are working on (one-time) Space Shuttle
software.
I assumed average servers, services and environment ....

	Bernd
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      reply	other threads:[~2005-08-29  8:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-26  9:25 Coywolf Qi Hunt
2005-08-26 11:02 ` Coywolf Qi Hunt
2005-08-26 15:19   ` Alan Cox
2005-08-29  3:54     ` qiyong
2005-08-29 12:29       ` Alan Cox
2005-08-29 16:15         ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]         ` <a36005b505082908415d9202d5@mail.gmail.com>
2005-08-31  7:53           ` Qi Yong
2005-08-31  7:58         ` Qi Yong
2005-08-26 12:47 ` Erik Mouw
2005-08-29  3:55   ` qiyong
2005-08-29  7:53     ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-08-29  8:16       ` Coywolf Qi Hunt
2005-08-29  8:53         ` Bernd Petrovitsch [this message]

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