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From: Bernd Petrovitsch <bernd@firmix.at>
To: Luben Tuikov <luben_tuikov@adaptec.com>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	SCSI Mailing List <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>,
	Patrick Mansfield <patmans@us.ibm.com>,
	Luben Tuikov <ltuikov@yahoo.com>, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:17:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1128007032.11443.77.camel@tara.firmix.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <433BFB1F.2020808@adaptec.com>

On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 10:33 -0400, Luben Tuikov wrote:
[...]
> Linux _development_ needs to catch up to Linux _deployment_.

That is probably the root and single cause of quality problems in
companies: Deployment folks (read: sales) set the delivery date (and get
the bonus for selling) and the rest (read: tech folks) have to follow,
no matter what (and get the blame for being late and buggy).
Or why do you think that MSFT has such quite crappy software?

> Currently they are two different worlds.

ACK - in the commercial world (and the bigger the company the worse
because sales people are far more distant from the tech people).

[ software rewrite ]
> > Maybe it can simply coexist with another new subsystem. This is what
> 
> Now _this_ is a smart suggestion: it wouldn't break legacy hardware
> _and_ it would give Linux SCSI a fresh start.
>
> Next year, your new serverboard wouldn't have any of those old
> cumbersome storage chips to worry about.  It would have only one
> storage chip which could do SAS and SATA and that'd be that.
> Why would anyone need this fat, old semanticaly overloaded,
> SPI-centric SCSI Core?

Then submit your driver as a (separate) block device in parallel to the
existing SCSI subsystem. People will use it for/with other parts if it
makes sense (and you - as the maintainer - accept their patches). And in
a few years the "old" SCSI core fades out as legacy drives fade out (or
they will happily coexist forever).
The point is: If *you* want it that way, *you* must go that way (and do
not expect others to do it just that *you* get *your* driver merged).
You are the maintainer of the new stuff and (almost) everything will
work as you want.
It might not be the cleanest or most elegant solution in the world, but
if it works, who cares and why?
Where is now the real problem?
I can't see one.

	Bernd
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-09-29 15:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 169+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-09-26 19:38 Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 21:55 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-27 22:51   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 23:14     ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-28 11:37       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 12:32         ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-09-28 14:50           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-30  1:56             ` Junio C Hamano
2005-09-28 16:27         ` Patrick Mansfield
2005-09-28 16:34           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 19:45           ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-28 20:56             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 22:35               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-28 23:22                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28 23:29                   ` David S. Miller
2005-09-29  5:30                     ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-29  7:24                       ` David S. Miller
2005-09-30  7:36                         ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-30 18:34                           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 18:50                             ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-30 19:08                               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 21:31                                 ` Kyle Moffett
2005-09-30 22:10                                   ` Greg Freemyer
2005-09-30 22:19                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 23:54                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-01  4:58                                       ` Willy Tarreau
2005-10-03 15:08                                         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 14:04                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 22:14                                   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-01  0:33                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 14:18                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 14:26                                         ` I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx intothe kernel David Lang
2005-10-03 15:19                                           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 15:30                                             ` I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx intothekernel David Lang
2005-10-03 16:01                                         ` I request inclusion of SAS Transport Layer and AIC-94xx into the kernel Jeff Garzik
2005-09-30 20:45                             ` James Bottomley
2005-09-30 22:05                               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-01  0:38                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 15:27                                   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 16:28                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-30 22:04                             ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-30 22:32                               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 23:57                             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 14:15                               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 15:57                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 16:23                                   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 16:48                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 19:03                                       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 19:32                                         ` Mike Christie
2005-10-03 20:15                                           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-03 19:10                                 ` Mike Christie
2005-09-30 18:51                           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 14:33                 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 14:48                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 15:50                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 16:54                       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 18:25                         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:15                   ` grundig
2005-09-29 15:17                   ` Bernd Petrovitsch [this message]
2005-09-29 16:33                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 16:56                       ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 16:58                         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 17:03                           ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 18:09                           ` Gerrit Huizenga
2005-09-29 17:13                       ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-09-29 18:39                         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 22:43                           ` Joel Becker
2005-09-29 17:52                   ` John Stoffel
2005-09-29 19:20                     ` Bruce Ferrell
2005-09-28 22:43               ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-29 15:04                 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:08                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 16:22                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 19:09                   ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 22:06                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 16:30         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-09-28 16:35           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28  2:02     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28 20:36       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 21:00         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28 22:10           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 23:04             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29  4:04               ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-29  7:44                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-09-29 15:09                   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:20                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 16:56                       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 17:11                         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-30 18:16                     ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-09-29 17:15                   ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 17:29                     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-29 19:32                   ` Willy Tarreau
2005-09-29 19:57                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-29 22:49                     ` jerome lacoste
2005-09-29 23:20                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 23:57                       ` Prasenjit Sarkar
2005-09-30  6:35                         ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-30  0:35                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-09-30  1:25                         ` Hua Zhong
2005-09-30  2:42                         ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-09-30 19:12                           ` Joe Bob Spamtest
2005-09-30 19:38                             ` Bob Copeland
2005-09-30  7:29                         ` Douglas Gilbert
2005-09-30 14:23                           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 16:26                           ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 16:47                             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 14:07                         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30  5:31                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-09-30  6:52                     ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-29 19:59               ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 19:37       ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-29 19:22   ` Stefan Richter
2005-09-27 13:07 Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 13:19 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-09-27 15:01   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 15:53     ` James Bottomley
2005-09-27 19:35       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 20:34         ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-27 21:44           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 22:01             ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-27 23:03               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-27 23:32                 ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-28  2:07                 ` Jeff Garzik
2005-09-28  0:28 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-28  1:34 ` Andre Hedrick
2005-09-28 11:42 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 15:15 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-28 16:59 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-28 22:17 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-29 12:46 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-29 15:45 Moore, Eric Dean
2005-09-30  1:28 Martin Fouts
2005-09-30 17:07 Salyzyn, Mark
2005-09-30 17:53 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-10-01 23:55   ` Alan Cox
2005-10-03 16:17     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04  6:51       ` Andre Hedrick
2005-10-04 15:01         ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 18:39 ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 19:21   ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 20:14     ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 20:22       ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-09-30 21:44         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-01 17:46         ` Greg KH
2005-09-30 20:32       ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 21:15         ` Andrew Patterson
2005-09-30 21:40           ` Joel Becker
2005-09-30 22:01           ` Luben Tuikov
2005-09-30 23:42             ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-10-03 13:54               ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 16:29                 ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-10-03 16:35                   ` Andrew Patterson
2005-10-03 16:39                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-03 19:16                       ` Marcin Dalecki
2005-10-03 21:26                       ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-10-03 22:04                         ` Ryan Anderson
2005-10-03 22:56                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-03 23:22                             ` Al Viro
2005-10-04 13:55                             ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2005-10-04 15:09                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-10-04 14:38                             ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04 14:54                               ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-04 15:19                                 ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04 15:26                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-04 15:40                                     ` Luben Tuikov
2005-10-04 15:46                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2005-10-04  6:30                           ` Andre Hedrick
2005-10-01  0:02     ` Jeff Garzik
2005-10-01  0:01   ` Jeff Garzik

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