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From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] atomic create+open
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:17:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1128626258.31797.34.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1ENani-0003c4-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>

to den 06.10.2005 Klokka 20:49 (+0200) skreiv Miklos Szeredi:

> For simplicity case let's omit the creation of simlink, just say, the
> file is removed.
> 
> So NFS calls have_submounts(), which returns true.
> 
> Then the bind is umounted.  Nothing prevents this happening
> concurrently with the lookup.
> 
> Then the file is removed on the server.
> 
> When open_namei() gets around to following the mounts, it is not there
> any more, so the dentry for /mnt/foo (the NFS one is returned) and
> NFS's ->open is called on the file, which returns -ENOENT.  But
> open(..., O_CREAT, ...) should never return -ENOENT.

...and so the VFS can recognise the case, and be made to retry the
operation.
A more difficult race to deal with occurs if you allow a mount while
inside d_revalidate(). In that case NFS can end up opening the wrong
file.
Both these two races could, however, be fixed by moving the
__follow_mount() in open_namei() inside the section that is protected by
the parent directory i_sem.

In any case, all you are doing here is showing that the situation w.r.t.
mount races and lookup+create+open is difficult. I see nothing that
convinces me that a special atomic create+open will help to resolve
those races.
Nor do I see that adding a special atomic create+open will help me avoid
intents for the case of atomic lookup+open(). As far as I'm concerned,
the case of lookup+create+open is just a special case of lookup+open.

Cheers,
  Trond


  reply	other threads:[~2005-10-06 19:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-10-06 14:38 Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-06 16:41 ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-06 17:02   ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-06 17:06     ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-06 17:25       ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-06 17:30         ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-06 17:42           ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-06 17:51             ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-06 18:00               ` Jamie Lokier
2005-10-06 18:48                 ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-10-06 18:38               ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-06 18:49                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-06 19:17                   ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2005-10-06 20:17                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-06 21:12                       ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-07  6:01                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-07 13:38                           ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-07 13:59                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-07 14:47                               ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-07 15:18                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-07 16:01                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-07 17:20                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-07 15:13                               ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-07 15:28                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-07 16:23                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-07 17:27                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-07 17:36                                       ` Trond Myklebust
     [not found]                                       ` <1129061494.11164.38.camel@lade.trondhjem.org>
     [not found]                                         ` <E1EPeM4-0000Xz-00@dorka.pomaz.szeredi.hu>
2005-10-12 13:20                                           ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-12 13:52                                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-12 19:01                                               ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-12 19:53                                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-12 15:20                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-06 17:07     ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-06 17:23       ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-06 17:36         ` Trond Myklebust
2005-10-06 17:47           ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-06 17:59           ` Jamie Lokier
2005-10-06 18:13             ` Miklos Szeredi
2005-10-06 18:42             ` Trond Myklebust

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