From: Josh Boyer <jdub@us.ibm.com>
To: "Jörn Engel" <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederman@lnxi.com>,
linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org, dwmw2@infradead.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/25] mtd: move ioctl32 code to mtdchar.c
Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 12:45:43 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1131475544.12616.14.camel@windu.rchland.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051108183339.GB31446@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 19:33 +0100, Jörn Engel wrote:
> On Tue, 8 November 2005 11:10:27 -0700, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
> > I can see that argument with respect to mtdblock. But why would
> > removal of mtdchar be a good thing? It is a simple raw access
> > interface. For those whose flash parts are too small for a filesystem
> > or when you are doing things that you can't do with a filesystem
> > like making or checking it you need something like mtd char. For
> > embedded folks who don't care you can just compile it out.
>
> mtdchar.c is one of the worst drivers inside the kernel. The concept
> of having a simple char device driver for flash may have its charm,
> but the actual implementation is horrible. And things like the
> read-only devices are even unfixable.
Sucky implementation isn't a reason for removal. It's a reason to fix
sucky implementation.
>
> mtdblock.c, while being quite a bit more complicated, does not require
> a ton of ioctls, will not confuse users with minor number 7 actually
> being device number 3 and magically being read-only despite unix
> permissions and hardware properties. Plus, it is just a file.
>
> Can you name a few examples, where mtdchar.c makes sense? I've found
> it to be quite useless.
It allows users to write an image to a NAND device that has bad blocks
and not totally screw it up. This is possible because of those ioctls.
The mtdblock stuff knows nothing of this.
I do agree that the read-only devices don't make sense. The code itself
probably needs work too. But until someone takes the time to make the
mtdblock devices have equivalent functionality, mtdchar needs to stay.
(And mtdblock has it's own set of issues as well. I'd be happy to
discuss them, but I think it would be offtopic for this thread.)
josh
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2005-11-05 16:26 ` [PATCH 01/25] compat: Remove leftovers from register_ioctl32_conversion Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:44 ` Al Viro
2005-11-05 17:04 ` Andi Kleen
2005-11-05 16:26 ` [PATCH 02/25] net: move socket ioctl32 to net/compat.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:26 ` [PATCH 03/25] net: improve ioctl32 dev_ioctl handling Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:26 ` [PATCH 04/25] net: move atm ioctl32 to net/atm/ioctl.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:26 ` [PATCH 05/25] net: move ppp specific ioctl32 handlers Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:26 ` [PATCH 06/25] mtd: move ioctl32 code to mtdchar.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-08 10:59 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-08 18:10 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-08 18:33 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-08 18:45 ` Josh Boyer [this message]
2005-11-08 18:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-11-08 22:21 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-09 0:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-11-08 19:03 ` David Woodhouse
2005-11-09 15:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2005-11-09 15:48 ` Jörn Engel
2005-11-05 16:26 ` [PATCH 07/25] block: move ioctl32 code to drivers/block/ioctl.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:26 ` [PATCH 08/25] tty: move ioctl32 code over to vt_ioctl.c and tty_io.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:26 ` [PATCH 09/25] v4l: move ioctl32 handlers to drivers/media/ Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-06 4:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2005-11-07 10:17 ` Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-12 14:35 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 10/25] fs: move ext2 ioctl32 handlers into file systems Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-06 4:39 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-11-07 10:24 ` Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 11/25] framebuffer: move ioctl32 code to fbmem.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-06 0:16 ` Antonino A. Daplas
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 12/25] scsi: move SG_IO ioctl32 code to sg.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:44 ` James Bottomley
2005-11-05 19:19 ` Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 13/25] loop: move ioctl32 code to loop.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-07 3:33 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 14/25] smbfs: simplify compat_ioctl handling Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 15/25] autofs: move ioctl32 to autofs{,4}/root.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-06 6:22 ` Ian Kent
2005-11-07 10:36 ` Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-07 16:02 ` Ian Kent
2005-11-08 16:23 ` Ian Kent
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 16/25] ncpfs: move ioctl32 code to fs/ncpfs/ioctl.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 17/25] vfat: move ioctl32 code to fs/fat/dir.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-06 12:05 ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2005-11-07 10:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-07 3:37 ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-11-07 10:42 ` Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 18/25] raw: move ioctl32 code to raw.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-06 13:59 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-11-07 10:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 19/25] usbdevfs: move ioctl32 into devio.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 20/25] i2c: move ioctl32 code to i2c-dev.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 21/25] reiserfs: remove ioctl conversion code Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 22/25] serial: move ioctl32 code to tty_io.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 23/25] cdrom: move ioctl32 code to drivers/cdrom/compat.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 24/25] tape: move mtio ioctl32 code to driver/char/compat_mtio.c Arnd Bergmann
2005-11-05 16:27 ` [PATCH 25/25] bluetooth: integrate ioctl32 handling Arnd Bergmann
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