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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/2] improve .text size on gcc 4.0 and newer compilers
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 15:54:09 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1135868049.2935.49.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051229143846.GA18833@infradead.org>


> I don't care too much whether we put always_inline or inline at the function
> we _really_ want to inline.  But all others shouldn't have any inline marker.
> So instead of changing the pretty useful redefinitions we have to keep the
> code a little more readable what about getting rid of all the stupid inlines
> we have over the place? 

just in drivers/ there are well over 6400 of those. Changing most of
those is going to be a huge effort. The reality is, most driver writers
(in fact kernel code writers) tend to overestimate the gain of inline in
THEIR code, and to underestimate the cumulative cost of it. Despite what
akpm says, I think gcc can make a better judgement than most of these
authors (probably including me :). We can remove 6400 now, but a year
from now, another 1000 have been added back again I bet.

You describe a nice utopia where only the most essential functions are
inlined.. but so far that hasn't worked out all that well ;) Turning
"inline" back into the hint to the compiler that the C language makes it
is maybe a cop-out, but it's a sustainable approach at least.

> I think many things we have static inline in headers
> now should move to proper out of line functions.

I suspect the biggest gains aren't the ones in the headers; those tend
to be quite small and often mostly optimize away due to constant
arguments (there may be a few exceptions of course), and also have been
attacked by various people in the 2.5/2.6 series before. It's the local
functions that got too many "inline" hints.




  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-29 14:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 210+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-28 11:46 Ingo Molnar
2005-12-28 19:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-28 19:34   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-28 21:02     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-28 21:17       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-28 21:23       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-28 21:48         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-28 23:56           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-12-29  7:41             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29  8:02               ` Dave Jones
2005-12-29 19:44               ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-12-29  4:11           ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-29  7:32             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29 14:58               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-29 15:40               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29 17:41               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 18:42                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 18:45                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 20:19                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29 22:20                   ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-29 20:28                 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-29 20:49                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 21:25                     ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                       ` <20051229224839.GA12247@elte.hu>
2005-12-29 22:58                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-30  2:03                           ` Tim Schmielau
2005-12-30  2:15                             ` Tim Schmielau
2005-12-30  7:49                             ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-31 14:38                               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-31 14:45                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-31 15:08                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 10:37                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 10:48                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 13:43                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 14:05                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 15:01                                             ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 18:44                                             ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 18:51                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 19:49                                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 19:54                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 20:05                                                     ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 20:18                                                       ` Jörn Engel
2006-01-02 22:23                                                 ` Russell King
2006-01-02 23:55                                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-01-03  3:59                                                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-01-03  8:53                                                     ` Russell King
2006-01-03  8:56                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-03  9:00                                                         ` Russell King
2006-01-03  9:10                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-03  9:14                                                         ` Vitaly Wool
2006-01-02 19:03                                               ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 19:17                                                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-01-02 19:30                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 19:41                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-02 19:53                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 20:28                                                     ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-01-02 20:09                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 20:24                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 20:40                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 20:30                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 19:12                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-02 19:59                                                 ` Krzysztof Halasa
2006-01-02 20:13                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-02 21:00                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-01-02 22:43                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-02 13:42                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-02 18:28                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-02 18:49                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 19:26                                             ` Jörn Engel
2006-01-02 21:51                                             ` Grant Coady
2006-01-02 22:03                                               ` Antonio Vargas
2006-01-02 22:56                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-02 23:10                                                   ` Grant Coady
2006-01-02 23:57                                                     ` Alan Cox
2006-01-02 23:58                                                       ` Grant Coady
2006-01-03  5:31                                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-03 23:40                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-01-04  4:28                                             ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-04  5:51                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2006-01-04 17:10                                                 ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-04 22:37                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05  0:55                                                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-04 17:36                                               ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-12-31  3:51                             ` Kurt Wall
2005-12-30  3:31                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-12-29 22:41                     ` userspace breakage Dave Jones
2005-12-29 21:23                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-29 23:42                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 22:17                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30  0:10                             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 23:54                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30  0:32                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-30 14:45                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30 16:17                                     ` Rik van Riel
2005-12-30 15:01                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30 11:17                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-30 14:59                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30 20:22                               ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-30 21:26                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-30 23:49                                 ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-31  8:33                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-31 15:30                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-31 16:40                                       ` Francois Romieu
2005-12-30 11:19                             ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-30 14:53                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2005-12-30 17:17                                 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2005-12-29 22:47                       ` Ismail Donmez
2005-12-29 22:56                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-29 23:03                         ` Dave Jones
2006-01-03 20:28                           ` Greg KH
2006-01-03 20:37                             ` Dave Jones
2006-01-04 23:00                               ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2006-01-05  4:42                                 ` Greg KH
2005-12-29 23:25                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29 23:52                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-30  8:09                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-03 20:28                         ` Greg KH
2005-12-29 23:07                       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-12-30  0:38                       ` Ryan Anderson
2005-12-30  0:46                         ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  1:05                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-30  1:19                             ` Dave Airlie
2005-12-30  1:21                             ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  2:10                               ` Jiri Slaby
2005-12-30  2:14                                 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  2:35                                   ` Jiri Slaby
2005-12-30  5:14                               ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-12-30  0:49                         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-12-30  3:47                     ` [patch 00/2] improve .text size on gcc 4.0 and newer compilers Mark Lord
2005-12-30  3:56                       ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  3:57                       ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  4:02                         ` Dave Jones
2005-12-30  4:11                           ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  4:14                             ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  4:20                               ` Mark Lord
2005-12-30  5:04                                 ` Dave Jones
2005-12-29 23:16                 ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30  8:05                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-30  8:15                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30  8:24                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-30  9:20                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30 13:38                           ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30  8:33                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-30  9:28                     ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30  9:37                       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-12-30  9:38                         ` Willy Tarreau
2005-12-30 19:53                   ` Alistair John Strachan
2005-12-29  7:49             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 15:01               ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-30 15:28             ` Alan Cox
2005-12-30 20:59               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30 22:12             ` Matt Mackall
2005-12-30 23:54               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-31  9:20               ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 14:38           ` Christoph Hellwig
2005-12-29 14:54             ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2005-12-29 15:35               ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29 15:38                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-12-29 15:42                 ` Jakub Jelinek
2005-12-29 19:14                   ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30  9:28                   ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-30  9:40                     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-30 10:14                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-30 13:31                         ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-30 14:08                         ` Christian Trefzer
2005-12-30 10:25                       ` Andi Kleen
2005-12-29  0:37         ` Rogério Brito
2006-01-03  3:36         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2005-12-29  4:38 ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29  7:59   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-29 13:52     ` Adrian Bunk
2005-12-29 19:57       ` Horst von Brand
2005-12-29 20:25       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-31 15:22         ` Adrian Bunk
2006-01-05  0:55 Chuck Ebbert
2006-01-05  1:07 ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 12:19   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-05 14:30     ` Jakub Jelinek
2006-01-05 16:55       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 18:42         ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-01-05 17:02     ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 17:59       ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 18:09         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-01-05 18:43           ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2006-01-05 19:17         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 19:40           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 19:49             ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 20:13               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 20:15                 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 23:30                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-05 23:54                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-06  0:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  0:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-06  0:54                           ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  0:02                     ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-06  0:40                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  0:55                         ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-06  1:48                           ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2006-01-06  0:50                   ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2006-01-06  0:58                     ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-06  1:22                       ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2006-01-05 21:34             ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 22:08               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-01-05 22:36                 ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 22:49                   ` Martin Bligh
2006-01-05 23:02                     ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 22:55                   ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-05 23:11                     ` Matt Mackall
2006-01-05 23:27                       ` Jesse Barnes
2006-01-05 23:58                       ` Ingo Molnar
2006-01-05 21:32           ` Grzegorz Kulewski

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