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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: jdow <jdow@earthlink.net>
Cc: Mark Lord <lkml@rtr.ca>, Joshua Hudson <joshudson@gmail.com>,
	Ramakanth Gunuganti <rgunugan@yahoo.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: GPL issues
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 16:51:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1144853492.3091.2.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <004101c65df4$5eb71ce0$0225a8c0@Wednesday>

On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 22:45 -0700, jdow wrote:
> > On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 23:18 -0400, Mark Lord wrote:
> >> Joshua Hudson wrote:
> >> > On 4/11/06, David Weinehall <tao@acc.umu.se> wrote:
> >> >> OK, simplified rules; if you follow them you should generally be OK:
> >> ..
> >> >> 3. Userspace code that uses interfaces that was not exposed to userspace
> >> >> before you change the kernel --> GPL (but don't do it; there's almost
> >> >> always a reason why an interface is not exported to userspace)
> >> >>
> >> >> 4. Userspace code that only uses existing interfaces --> choose
> >> >> license yourself (but of course, GPL would be nice...)
> >> 
> >> Err.. there is ZERO difference between situations 3 and 4.
> >> Userspace code can be any license one wants, regardless of where
> >> or when or how the syscalls are added to the kernel.
> > 
> > that is not so clear if the syscalls were added exclusively for this
> > application by the authors of the application....
> 
> Consider a book. The book is GPLed. I do not have to GPL my brain when
> I read the book.
> 
> I add some margin notes to the GPLed book. I still do not have to GPL
> my brain when I read the book.

wrong comparison

you have a book, book is gpl'd. You have another book with another plot.
THat other book doesn't need to be gpl'd.

you have a book, book is gpl'd. Your other book now requires the first
book to change it's plot so that the two books form a series. This is
where your lawyer will get nervous.

Think of it differently perhaps, and it's a question of "where is the
boundary of the work"

You can see the situation with the syscall change in 2 ways:

1) kernel + modification is a work
   userspace app is a separate work

or

2) kernel is a work
   userspace app and the kernel modification are together one work

in this 2nd case you have a GPL issue. The question is if your lawyer
can convince the judge that the second interpretation is unreasonable.
That may or may not be easy, depending on the exact nature of the
modification.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-04-12 14:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-11  6:31 Ramakanth Gunuganti
2006-04-11  8:42 ` Jesper Juhl
2006-04-11 10:51   ` Martin Mares
2006-04-11 17:46   ` Horst von Brand
2006-04-11 13:49 ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-11 15:49   ` Ramakanth Gunuganti
2006-04-11 16:07     ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-04-11 16:29       ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-04-11 16:13     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-04-11 16:15     ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-11 16:23     ` Dave Neuer
2006-04-11 18:58     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-14 11:39       ` David Schwartz
2006-04-14 14:54         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-04-14 17:50         ` David Weinehall
2006-04-14 18:56           ` David Schwartz
2006-04-15 11:55             ` Alan Cox
2006-04-15 13:04               ` Steven Rostedt
2006-04-15 18:49               ` David Schwartz
2006-04-11 15:49   ` Ramakanth Gunuganti
2006-04-11 23:06 ` David Weinehall
2006-04-12  2:38   ` Joshua Hudson
2006-04-12  3:18     ` Mark Lord
2006-04-12  5:00       ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-12  5:31       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-12  5:45         ` jdow
2006-04-12  6:01           ` David Weinehall
2006-04-12  6:26             ` jdow
2006-04-12  9:13             ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-04-12 11:33               ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-12 14:51           ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2006-04-13 22:07             ` Mark Lord
2006-04-15 11:14               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-13 22:17         ` Mark Lord
2006-04-15 11:15           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-11 23:12 ` Alan Cox
2006-04-12  7:01 Pramod Srinivasan
2006-04-12  8:16 ` David Weinehall
2006-04-12  9:06 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-12  9:22   ` Stefan Smietanowski
2006-04-12  9:40     ` Martin Mares
2006-04-12  9:28   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-14 11:39 ` David Schwartz

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