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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Gerrit Huizenga <gh@us.ibm.com>
Cc: James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	casey@schaufler-ca.com, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	fireflier-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 23:48:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1145314085.14793.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1FVc0H-00077d-00@w-gerrit.beaverton.ibm.com>

On Llu, 2006-04-17 at 15:15 -0700, Gerrit Huizenga wrote:
> I get the impression from customers that SELinux is so painful to
> configure correctly that most of them disable it.  In theory, LSM +

Red Hat ships SELinux enabled by default with a set of policies that
most users just leave enabled, indeed most users don't even know they
have SELinux enabled or what SELinux is, any more than they could say
tell you what posix acls do.

That said there is a need for nice pretty policy design tools, but
that's not part of an LSM discussion.

> something like AppArmour provides a much simpler security model for

If the AppArmour people care to submit their code upstream and get it
merged then that would be a reason to keep LSM, if they don't then LSM
(if they even want it..) can just become part of their patchkit instead.

> normal human beings who want some level of configuration.  Also,
> the current SELinux config in RH is starting to have a measureable
> performance impact. 

In Fedora Core its impact is far from obvious from my testing. Older
SELinux had some ugly SMP scaling problems but those are fixed.

Alan


  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-17 22:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 253+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-02  9:40 [RFC] packet/socket owner match (fireflier) using skfilter Török Edwin
2006-04-03 15:18 ` James Morris
2006-04-03 15:39   ` Török Edwin
2006-04-05 15:06     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-07 17:34       ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:24         ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] fireflier LSM for labeling sockets based on its creator (owner) Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:27           ` [RFC][PATCH 1/7] " Török Edwin
2006-04-12 19:11             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-14 20:02               ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:38           ` [RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks Török Edwin
2006-04-12 17:42             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-14 20:01               ` [RESEND][RFC][PATCH " Török Edwin
2006-04-17 16:06                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 16:23                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-17 17:03                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 17:08                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 17:33                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-17 18:02                         ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-17 18:15                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 19:26                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-17 19:31                               ` James Morris
2006-04-17 19:47                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-17 20:02                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 14:52                                     ` David Safford
2006-04-19 15:26                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 17:57                                         ` Emily Ratliff
2006-04-19 18:33                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:27                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 15:47                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 22:15                                 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-17 22:48                                   ` Alan Cox [this message]
2006-04-17 22:58                                     ` James Morris
2006-04-18  2:00                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-17 22:55                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-18  1:44                                     ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-18 11:58                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-18 16:50                                         ` Gerrit Huizenga
2006-04-18 17:27                                           ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-18 19:31                                             ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 19:50                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-18 20:13                                                 ` [Fireflier-devel] " Török Edwin
2006-04-18 20:31                                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 19:33                                                     ` [Fireflier-devel] Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementationof " David Lang
2006-04-18 20:42                                                   ` [Fireflier-devel] Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of " Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 20:23                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 18:32                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-19 18:48                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 19:50                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 18:50                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 23:24                                                     ` Tony Jones
2006-04-18 20:14                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:35                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 21:07                                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 12:22                                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:26                                               ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 20:57                                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 21:36                                                   ` James Morris
2006-04-18 23:09                                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 23:27                                                       ` Chris Wright
2006-04-18 23:57                                                       ` James Morris
2006-04-19  1:48                                                         ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  6:40                                                           ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-19  6:56                                                             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 11:41                                                               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 15:51                                                                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19 16:00                                                                 ` Gene Heskett
2006-04-20  6:51                                                               ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-20 12:40                                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21  1:00                                                                   ` Nix
2006-04-21 14:24                                                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-24  8:14                                                                       ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-25  0:19                                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25  7:21                                                                           ` Nix
2006-04-19  7:44                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 11:53                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 12:56                                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 12:54                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 16:42                                                             ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19 18:01                                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20  4:10                                                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-20  4:29                                                                   ` James Morris
2006-04-20  4:56                                                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-18 23:16                                                     ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18 23:19                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-19  5:22                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 12:40                                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 23:09                                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  5:23                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-18 18:46                                           ` Alan Cox
2006-04-18 19:59                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 20:20                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:36                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 23:00                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-19  9:03                                             ` Bernhard R. Link
2006-04-18 21:38                                         ` Kurt Garloff
2006-04-19  7:04                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19  7:36                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 12:10                                           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 12:55                                             ` Yuichi Nakamura
2006-04-19 15:44                                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 16:02                                                 ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-19 16:06                                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 21:10                                               ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-19 21:48                                                 ` Yuichi Nakamura
2006-04-20 12:44                                                 ` Karl MacMillan
2006-04-19 13:09                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 11:59                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-17 23:09                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 19:37                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 13:05                             ` Kazuki Omo(Company)
2006-04-18 13:37                               ` James Morris
2006-04-18 14:45                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-18 15:51                                 ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18 16:07                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-17 19:20                         ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) James Morris
2006-04-17 19:51                           ` Greg KH
2006-04-17 20:08                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 21:26                             ` Alan Cox
2006-04-17 23:26                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-18  2:29                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-18 12:22                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-18 12:59                                   ` Stephen Smalley
     [not found]                                     ` <20060418132121.GE7562@sergelap.austin.ibm.com>
2006-04-18 13:40                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-18 20:13                                 ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-18 23:01                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-20  0:19                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-20 15:27                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-21 15:23                                         ` Ken Brush
2006-04-21 19:51                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-22 20:52                                             ` Ken Brush
2006-04-23  9:45                                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-24  8:24                                                 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24 12:42                                                   ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 12:44                                                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24 12:45                                                     ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-24 12:54                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:09                                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 13:16                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:29                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 13:40                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 13:54                                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:07                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 19:06                                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-25  4:07                                                               ` Casey Schaufler
2006-04-24 14:08                                                         ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-25 16:29                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 22:26                                                             ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-26 12:14                                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-26 16:03                                                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2006-04-27  6:56                                                                   ` Thomas Bleher
2006-04-24 12:55                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 12:56                                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:02                                                       ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 14:04                                                         ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:31                                                           ` Alan Cox
2006-04-24 14:28                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-24 14:45                                                           ` David Lang
2006-04-24 16:50                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 16:31                                                             ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25 16:23                                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-25  2:06                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25  7:36                                                     ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-20 21:13                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-23  3:50                                     ` Crispin Cowan
2006-04-23  9:33                                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-23 14:58                                         ` Thomas Bleher
2006-04-24  8:28                                           ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24  8:37                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24  8:54                                               ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2006-04-24  9:12                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25  0:31                                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-20 17:46                                 ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-18  2:38                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-19  8:16                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 15:40                               ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 16:33                                 ` James Morris
2006-04-19 18:10                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 19:33                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-20 12:39                                     ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 12:51                                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-20 15:00                                       ` Removing EXPORT_SYMBOL(security_ops) (was Re: Time to remove LSM) Greg KH
2006-04-20 14:20                                         ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 16:15                                           ` Greg KH
2006-04-20 16:23                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-20 16:34                                               ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 16:46                                                 ` Greg KH
2006-04-20 17:00                                                   ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-20 17:01                                                     ` [PATCH] make security_ops EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL() Greg KH
2006-04-20 18:08                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-04-20 19:34                                                         ` Greg KH
2006-04-21 16:50                                                           ` Greg KH
2006-04-21 17:34                                                             ` Chris Wright
2006-04-20 17:02                                         ` Removing EXPORT_SYMBOL(security_ops) (was Re: Time to remove LSM) Tony Jones
2006-04-20 20:14                                         ` Chris Wright
2006-04-19 19:22                                 ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 20:48                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 20:59                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-19 21:08                                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-19 16:00                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 19:06                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-19 20:11                                   ` Greg KH
2006-04-19 20:52                                     ` Randy.Dunlap
2006-04-19 20:54                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-19 21:05                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-20 12:20                                       ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 13:30                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-21 15:05                                       ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 13:45                                         ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:48                                           ` [PATCH 1/4] security_cap_extra() and more Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:49                                           ` [PATCH 2/4] Use of capable_light() Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:49                                           ` [PATCH 3/4] task_post_setgid() Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 13:50                                           ` [PATCH 4/4] MultiAdmin module Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 14:56                                             ` James Morris
2006-05-01 15:05                                             ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 13:50                                           ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Arjan van de Ven
2006-05-01 16:03                                           ` [PATCH 4a/4] MultiAdmin LSM (LKCS'ed) Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 16:47                                             ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 17:42                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 18:07                                                 ` Greg KH
2006-05-01 20:19                                                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-05-01 21:47                                                     ` Adrian Bunk
2006-05-01 20:56                                           ` [PATCH 0/4] MultiAdmin LSM Pavel Machek
2006-05-02  4:22                                           ` James Morris
2006-04-21 16:25                                       ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Stephen Smalley
2006-04-21 18:57                                         ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-21 19:56                                           ` Stephen Smalley
2006-04-22 11:13                                             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-04-20 23:41                                   ` Pavel Machek
2006-04-19 17:00                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-17 20:20                           ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:24                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:27                               ` Time to remove LSM David S. Miller
2006-04-17 20:27                               ` Time to remove LSM (was Re: [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks) Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:34                                 ` Greg KH
2006-04-17 20:38                                   ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:43                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:53                                     ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 20:45                             ` alan
     [not found]                             ` <2e00cdfd0604171437g1d6c6923w5db82f317ed0f56@mail.gmail.com>
2006-04-17 22:07                               ` Chris Wright
2006-04-17 22:10                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-17 20:51                           ` Adrian Bunk
2006-04-17 20:08                         ` [RESEND][RFC][PATCH 2/7] implementation of LSM hooks David S. Miller
2006-04-17 18:20                   ` Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:39           ` [RFC][PATCH 3/7] sidtab - hashtable to store SIDs Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:41           ` [RFC][PATCH 4/7] exports Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:43           ` [RFC][PATCH 5/7] debugging/testing support Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:44           ` [RFC][PATCH 6/7] userspace Török Edwin
2006-04-07 18:46           ` [RFC][PATCH 7/7] stacking support for capability module Török Edwin
2006-04-07 19:18             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-07 19:45           ` [RFC][PATCH 0/7] fireflier LSM for labeling sockets based on its creator (owner) Chris Wright
2006-04-08  7:41             ` edwin
2006-04-21 15:26 ` [RFC] packet/socket owner match (fireflier) using skfilter Mikado
2006-04-21 16:18   ` Török Edwin

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