From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1750765AbWFMIfs (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:35:48 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1750791AbWFMIfs (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:35:48 -0400 Received: from ns.firmix.at ([62.141.48.66]:1697 "EHLO ns.firmix.at") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1750774AbWFMIfr (ORCPT ); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 04:35:47 -0400 Subject: Re: VGER does gradual SPF activation (FAQ matter) From: Bernd Petrovitsch To: Horst von Brand Cc: marty fouts , David Woodhouse , Matti Aarnio , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <200606130305.k5D35YhA004268@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> References: <200606130305.k5D35YhA004268@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Firmix Software GmbH Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:31:18 +0200 Message-Id: <1150187478.28123.7.camel@tara.firmix.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 (2.2.3-4.fc4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.334 () AWL,BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 23:05 -0400, Horst von Brand wrote: > Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: [...] > > Use secure authenticated mail submission on a known good MTA of said > > domain (and even the smallest ISP should be able to set that up). > > So what? What should me make me trust some domain that I've never before Well, so everyone can send email through an MTA (the email accounts "home MTA") covered in the SPF records. > heard of is correctly set up? No, "package it up so the dumbest admin on What makes you believe that the domains you heard of are setup correctly? Of course for some/several/many of them you know (because you or trustfully people administrate them or the domain setup look like sane to the rest of the world), but for other (including "well known") domains and in the long run? If the point was: "We want tolerate ill-adminned domains." That depends on the error hypotheses and which ill behaviour one wants to tolerate ...... > Earth can set it up" helps not an iota, they sure will. I'm not designing (or propagating) anything for dumb admins (they will screw up anything anyways and an admin knows per definition what s/he is doing) but it is enough for sane (but also overloaded - so it should not be too much of a hassle) admins. Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services