From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S933065AbWF3Vex (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:34:53 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S933148AbWF3Vex (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:34:53 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:57238 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S933065AbWF3Vex (ORCPT ); Fri, 30 Jun 2006 17:34:53 -0400 Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] OSS driver removal, 2nd round From: Arjan van de Ven To: Lee Revell Cc: Olivier Galibert , James Courtier-Dutton , Adrian Bunk , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, alsa-devel@alsa-project.org, Alan Cox , perex@suse.cz, Olaf Hering In-Reply-To: <1151702966.32444.57.camel@mindpipe> References: <20060629192128.GE19712@stusta.de> <44A54D8E.3000002@superbug.co.uk> <20060630163114.GA12874@dspnet.fr.eu.org> <1151702966.32444.57.camel@mindpipe> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 23:34:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1151703286.11434.61.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 (2.2.3-2.fc4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 17:29 -0400, Lee Revell wrote: > On Fri, 2006-06-30 at 18:31 +0200, Olivier Galibert wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 05:13:02PM +0100, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: > > > Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > >- ALSA #1735 (OSS emulation 4-channel mode rear channels not working) > > > > > > As the MAINTAINER of EMU10K1, I am happy for EMU10K1 driver to be > > > removed from the kernel. > > > > > > ALSA #1735 is now closed. All the apps the user was trying also support > > > ALSA natively now, so OSS is not needed. > > > > Are you joking ? > > > > Even if you reject this argument, the bug is in ALSA's in-kernel OSS > emulation, not the emu10k1 driver. > > As sound hardware gets dumber and cheaper, kernel OSS emulation will > become increasingly useless. The cheap onboard devices (and even mid > range stuff like the SBLive! 24 bit) require sample rate conversion, > mixing, and even volume control to be handled in software. ALSA's > in-kernel OSS emulation does not have these features and never will. > > (I wish the authors of Skype, Flash, TeamSpeak, Enemy Territory, and > other proprietary OSS-only apps would understand this ;-) maybe it's time to start printing a warning to users of OSS api (rate limited etc etc)