From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751146AbWGGCbN (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:31:13 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751148AbWGGCbN (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:31:13 -0400 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.10.4]:48288 "EHLO pat.uio.no") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751146AbWGGCbM (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:31:12 -0400 Subject: Re: ext4 features From: Trond Myklebust To: Bill Davidsen Cc: "J. Bruce Fields" , Theodore Tso , Thomas Glanzmann , LKML In-Reply-To: <44ADC3CE.1030302@tmr.com> References: <20060701163301.GB24570@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20060704010240.GD6317@thunk.org> <44ABAF7D.8010200@tmr.com> <20060705125956.GA529@fieldses.org> <44AC2B56.8010703@tmr.com> <20060705214133.GA28487@fieldses.org> <44AC7647.2080005@tmr.com> <1152189796.5689.17.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> <44ADC3CE.1030302@tmr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:30:47 -0400 Message-Id: <1152239447.6092.12.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.863, required 12, autolearn=disabled, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 0.14, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL -5.00) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 22:15 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Trond Myklebust wrote: > > >Nobody gives a rats arse about backups: those are infrequent and > >can/should use more sophisticated techniques such as checksumming. > > > Actually, those of us who do run production servers care vastly about > backups. And beside being utterly unscalable (checksum 20 TB of files > four times a day to find what changed???), you would have to remember > the checksums for all those files. It is trivial to check if your last backup of the file was started within 1 second or so of the last change made to the file, in which case your backup program needs to perform a more thorough check. That sort of thing is possible when you are talking about a daily (or even hourly) backup. Cheers, Trond