From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1751152AbWGGCrb (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:47:31 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751153AbWGGCra (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:47:30 -0400 Received: from pat.uio.no ([129.240.10.4]:8622 "EHLO pat.uio.no") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751152AbWGGCra (ORCPT ); Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:47:30 -0400 Subject: Re: ext4 features From: Trond Myklebust To: Ric Wheeler Cc: Bill Davidsen , "J. Bruce Fields" , Theodore Tso , Thomas Glanzmann , LKML In-Reply-To: <44ADCA0C.90401@emc.com> References: <20060701163301.GB24570@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20060704010240.GD6317@thunk.org> <44ABAF7D.8010200@tmr.com> <20060705125956.GA529@fieldses.org> <44AC2B56.8010703@tmr.com> <20060705214133.GA28487@fieldses.org> <44AC7647.2080005@tmr.com> <1152189796.5689.17.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> <44ADC3CE.1030302@tmr.com> <44ADCA0C.90401@emc.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:46:59 -0400 Message-Id: <1152240419.6092.16.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UiO-Spam-info: not spam, SpamAssassin (score=-4.863, required 12, autolearn=disabled, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 0.14, UIO_MAIL_IS_INTERNAL -5.00) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 22:42 -0400, Ric Wheeler wrote: > The point of using checksums (or digital signatures on files) is to be > able to detect when the on disk file has been corrupted - not to look > for updates. With normal disks, even writes that are flagged as correct > will occasionally actually end up corrupt on disk. The rate that you > need to validate the checksums is not at a 4 time a day rate. > > Buying a nice, high array can make this much less of a concern, but > those of us who get stuck using commodity disks should always have a way > of detecting corruption and a backup (either on tape or on another box). I repeat: you do _not_ need high res ctime/mtime updates in order to figure out whether or not you need to do a daily backup on your file. You do need it in order to figure out if the page you just read in from your NFS server 2 microseconds ago is still valid. Cheers, Trond