From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932069AbWGGILS (ORCPT ); Fri, 7 Jul 2006 04:11:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932070AbWGGILS (ORCPT ); Fri, 7 Jul 2006 04:11:18 -0400 Received: from ns.firmix.at ([62.141.48.66]:36738 "EHLO ns.firmix.at") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932069AbWGGILQ (ORCPT ); Fri, 7 Jul 2006 04:11:16 -0400 Subject: Re: ext4 features From: Bernd Petrovitsch To: Bill Davidsen Cc: Trond Myklebust , Ric Wheeler , "J. Bruce Fields" , Theodore Tso , Thomas Glanzmann , LKML In-Reply-To: <44ADD223.9010005@tmr.com> References: <20060701163301.GB24570@cip.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20060704010240.GD6317@thunk.org> <44ABAF7D.8010200@tmr.com> <20060705125956.GA529@fieldses.org> <44AC2B56.8010703@tmr.com> <20060705214133.GA28487@fieldses.org> <44AC7647.2080005@tmr.com> <1152189796.5689.17.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> <44ADC3CE.1030302@tmr.com> <44ADCA0C.90401@emc.com> <1152240419.6092.16.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> <44ADD223.9010005@tmr.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Firmix Software GmbH Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 10:09:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1152259789.10641.7.camel@tara.firmix.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 (2.2.3-4.fc4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.354 () AWL,BAYES_00,FORGED_RCVD_HELO Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 23:16 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Trond Myklebust wrote: [...] > >I repeat: you do _not_ need high res ctime/mtime updates in order to > >figure out whether or not you need to do a daily backup on your file. > >You do need it in order to figure out if the page you just read in from > >your NFS server 2 microseconds ago is still valid. > > > In most cases you don't care and would be using locking if you did. The > old value was valid when you read it, the new value is valid, and if > data is changing in 2us and the change matters, you can't process the > data before it changes again (or at least may change). Do you never use `make` on NFS-mounted filesystems (for e.g. kernel compilation)? Bernd -- Firmix Software GmbH http://www.firmix.at/ mobil: +43 664 4416156 fax: +43 1 7890849-55 Embedded Linux Development and Services