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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Keir Fraser <Keir.Fraser@cl.cam.ac.uk>
Cc: Ian Pratt <ian.pratt@xensource.com>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	xen-devel@lists.xensource.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	virtualization@lists.osdl.org, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 32/33] Add the Xen virtual network device driver.
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:42:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1153219348.3038.60.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <278d0ba5a24d74c5b590dd76d234c312@cl.cam.ac.uk>

On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 11:35 +0100, Keir Fraser wrote:
> On 18 Jul 2006, at 11:27, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> 
> > Hmmm maybe it's me, but something bugs me if a NIC driver is going to
> > send IP level ARP packets... that just feels very very wrong and is a
> > blatant layering violation.... shouldn't the ifup/ifconfig scripts just
> > be fixed instead if this is critical behavior?
> 
> Maybe we should be faking this out from our hotplug scripts in the 
> control VM, although triggering this from user space is probably a bit 
> of a pain. Regardless, the function can be removed from the driver if 
> it's too distasteful: it's only a performance 'hack' to get network 
> traffic more quickly redirected when migrating a VM between physical 
> hosts. Things won't break horribly if it's removed.


that sounds like a perfect job for a udev-kind of notification to
userspace, eg "hey I migrated", and then udev/hotplug can just do this
sending of arps.. maybe they also want to do other things just after a
migration (which sounds entirely reasonable to me) such as renewing the
dhcp lease, resetting the periodic userspace hardware polling timers in
"hal", network manager etc etc... 

so it looks entirely useful for me to have a userspace upcall for "post
migration", and once you have that that udev side of things can just do
this...

(question is if you also want a pre-migration upcall; my gut feeling
says "no" because upcalls are async and you may end up running that
upcall on the new physical machine)

Greetings,
   Arjan van de Ven


  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-18 10:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-18  9:18 [RFC PATCH 00/33] Xen i386 paravirtualization support Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 01/33] Add apply_to_page_range() function Chris Wright
2006-07-18 10:38   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-18 19:29     ` Chris Wright
2006-07-20  6:17       ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 02/33] Add sync bitops Chris Wright
2006-07-18  9:56   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 10:18     ` Keir Fraser
2006-07-19 12:54     ` Andi Kleen
2006-07-18 10:34   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 03/33] Add nosegneg capability to the vsyscall page notes Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 04/33] Add XEN config options and disable unsupported config options Chris Wright
2006-07-18  9:59   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 10:21     ` Keir Fraser
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 05/33] Makefile support to build Xen subarch Chris Wright
2006-07-18 10:00   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 11:40     ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-18 20:41       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-07-18 20:15     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 06/33] Add Xen interface header files Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 07/33] Hypervisor " Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 08/33] Add vmlinuz build target Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 09/33] Add start-of-day setup hooks to subarch Chris Wright
2006-07-18 10:03   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 20:49     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-07-20  6:07   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-20 12:10     ` Keir Fraser
2006-07-20 13:27       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 10/33] add support for Xen feature queries Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 11/33] Add Xen-specific memory management definitions Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 12/33] Change __FIXADDR_TOP to leave room for the hypervisor Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 13/33] Add a new head.S start-of-day file for booting on Xen Chris Wright
2006-07-18 10:06   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 20:13     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 14/33] subarch support for controlling interrupt delivery Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 15/33] move segment checks to subarch Chris Wright
2006-07-18 10:09   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 11:28     ` Zachary Amsden
2006-07-18 19:06   ` Rusty Russell
2006-07-18 19:25     ` Chris Wright
2006-07-18 20:00       ` [Xen-devel] " Rusty Russell
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 16/33] Add support for Xen to entry.S Chris Wright
2006-07-18 10:11   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 20:04     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-07-18 19:17   ` Rusty Russell
2006-07-18 20:43     ` Chris Wright
2006-07-18 23:03       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-07-19  5:30         ` Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 17/33] Support loading an initrd when running on Xen Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 18/33] Subarch support for CPUID instruction Chris Wright
2006-07-18 10:14   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 10:26     ` Keir Fraser
2006-07-18 10:38       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 11:33     ` Zachary Amsden
2006-07-18 20:46       ` David Miller
2006-07-18 21:00         ` Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 19/33] Support gdt/idt/ldt handling on Xen Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 20/33] subarch support for interrupt and exception gates Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 21/33] subarch support for control register accesses Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 22/33] subarch stack pointer update Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 23/33] subarch TLB support Chris Wright
2006-07-18 20:39   ` David Miller
2006-07-18 21:00     ` Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 24/33] Add support for Xen event channels Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 25/33] Implement timekeeping for Xen Chris Wright
2006-07-25  2:49   ` john stultz
2006-07-25 20:05     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 26/33] subarch suport for idle loop (NO_IDLE_HZ for Xen) Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 27/33] Add the Xen virtual console driver Chris Wright
2006-07-18 10:24   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 10:31     ` Keir Fraser
2006-07-27 15:05   ` Hollis Blanchard
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 28/33] Add Xen grant table support Chris Wright
2006-07-19 10:04   ` [Xen-devel] " Harry Butterworth
2006-07-25 18:30   ` Hollis Blanchard
2006-07-25 18:45     ` Keir Fraser
2006-07-25 19:06     ` Segher Boessenkool
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 29/33] Add Xen driver utility functions Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 30/33] Add the Xenbus sysfs and virtual device hotplug driver Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 31/33] Add Xen subarch reboot support Chris Wright
2006-07-20  6:16   ` Adrian Bunk
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 32/33] Add the Xen virtual network device driver Chris Wright
2006-07-18 10:27   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 10:35     ` Keir Fraser
2006-07-18 10:42       ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2006-07-18 12:18         ` Dave Boutcher
2006-07-18 12:39     ` jamal
2006-07-18 13:08       ` Herbert Xu
2006-07-18 13:25         ` John Haller
2006-07-18 15:22           ` Herbert Xu
2006-07-18 15:44   ` Stephen Hemminger
2006-07-19  3:55     ` Herbert Xu
2006-07-18 20:42   ` David Miller
2006-07-18 21:09     ` Chris Wright
2006-07-18  7:00 ` [RFC PATCH 33/33] Add Xen virtual block " Chris Wright
2006-07-18 10:34   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-07-18 20:57     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2006-07-18 13:01   ` Dave Boutcher
2006-07-18 16:25     ` Jeff Garzik
2006-07-18 19:28     ` Chris Wright
2006-07-18 21:22     ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge

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