From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932218AbWGXQ57 (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:57:59 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932222AbWGXQ57 (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:57:59 -0400 Received: from www.timetrex.com ([69.93.244.106]:52408 "EHLO mail.academyoflearning.ca") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932218AbWGXQ56 (ORCPT ); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:57:58 -0400 Subject: Re: the " 'official' point of view" expressed by kernelnewbies.org regarding reiser4 inclusion From: Mike Benoit To: Matthias Andree Cc: Hans Reiser , lkml@lpbproductions.com, Jeff Garzik , Theodore Tso , LKML , ReiserFS List In-Reply-To: <20060724102508.GA26553@merlin.emma.line.org> References: <44C12F0A.1010008@namesys.com> <44C28A8F.1050408@garzik.org> <44C32348.8020704@namesys.com> <200607230212.55293.lkml@lpbproductions.com> <44C44622.9050504@namesys.com> <20060724085455.GD24299@merlin.emma.line.org> <44C4813E.2030907@namesys.com> <20060724102508.GA26553@merlin.emma.line.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hy1dBR9GcM+ZB2Rkbv6q" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 09:57:24 -0700 Message-Id: <1153760245.5735.47.camel@ipso.snappymail.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.4-2mdv2007.0 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --=-hy1dBR9GcM+ZB2Rkbv6q Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 12:25 +0200, Matthias Andree wrote: > On Mon, 24 Jul 2006, Hans Reiser wrote: >=20 > > >and that's the end > > >of the story for me. There's nothing wrong about focusing on newer cod= e, > > >but the old code needs to be cared for, too, to fix remaining issues > > >such as the "can only have N files with the same hash value".=20 > > > > Requires a disk format change, in a filesystem without plugins, to fix = it. >=20 > You see, I don't care a iota about "plugins" or other implementation deta= ils. >=20 > The bottom line is reiserfs 3.6 imposes practial limits that ext3fs > doesn't impose and that's reason enough for an administrator not to > install reiserfs 3.6. Sorry. >=20 And EXT3 imposes practical limits that ReiserFS doesn't as well. The big one being a fixed number of inodes that can't be adjusted on the fly, which was reason enough for me to not use EXT3 and use ReiserFS instead.=20 Do you consider the EXT3 developers to have "abandoned" it because they haven't fixed this issue? I don't, I just think of it as using the right tool for the job. I've been bitten by running out of inodes on several occasions, and by switching to ReiserFS it saved one company I worked for over $250,000 because they didn't need to buy a totally new piece of software. I haven't been able to use EXT3 on a backup server for the last ~5 years due to inode limitations. Instead, ReiserFS has been filling that spot like a champ.=20 The bottom line is that every file system imposes some sort of limits that bite someone. In your case it sounds like EXT3 limits weren't an issue for you, in my case they were. Thats life.=20 --=20 Mike Benoit --=-hy1dBR9GcM+ZB2Rkbv6q Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBExPv0MhKjsejwBhgRApGXAJ0ZLb8PDVvRoTUCIBkwedpKy7qBKwCcCxIv F71NjdfIZN13Wsr4UR755Tc= =x4MO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hy1dBR9GcM+ZB2Rkbv6q--