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From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>
Cc: Jiri Kosina <jikos@jikos.cz>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] Synaptics - fix lockdep warnings
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 07:33:24 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1158298404.4332.18.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d120d5000609141211o76432bd3l82582ef3896e3be@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 2006-09-14 at 15:11 -0400, Dmitry Torokhov wrote:
> On 9/14/06, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I think it is - as far as I understand the reason for not tracking
> > > every lock individually is just that it is too expensive to do by
> > > default.
> >
> > that is not correct. While it certainly plays a role,
> > the other reason is that you can find out "class" level locking rules
> > (such as inode->i_mutex comes before <other lock>) for all inodes at a
> > time; eg no need to see every inode do this before you can find the
> > deadlock.
> >
> 
> OK, I can see that. However you must agree that for certain locks we
> do want to track them individually, right?

I agree that if locks really represent different objects with different
locking semantics they should not share the class. Lockdep provides a
mechanism for that; however I'm very afraid that for the input layer,
they really are not that, they are not different objects with different
semantics; they are the same objects with nesting semantics! In that
case the "separate lock class" stuff has only disadvantages.
The worst thing is that as I understand it this separate class is
*dynamic*. Eg it's not even "one class per driver" ;(



  reply	other threads:[~2006-09-15  5:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-09-14  0:44 Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14  0:44 ` [PATCH 1/3] " Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14  0:44   ` [PATCH 2/3] " Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14  0:44     ` [PATCH 3/3] " Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14  2:00 ` [PATCH 0/3] " Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14  8:43   ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 13:18     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 14:39       ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 14:58         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 15:03           ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-14 15:08           ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 15:51             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 16:00               ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 16:18                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 18:48                   ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-14 18:56                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 19:03                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-09-14 19:11                         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-15  5:33                           ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2006-09-15 13:20                             ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-15 13:38                               ` Jiri Kosina
2006-09-15 13:51                                 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-15 13:56                                   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2006-09-14 19:56                       ` Ingo Molnar

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