From: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: "Duran, Leo" <leo.duran@amd.com>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
discuss@x86-64.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [discuss] Re: Please pull x86-64 bug fixes
Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2006 07:23:18 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1160198598.3000.134.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4526E175.9090608@garzik.org>
On Fri, 2006-10-06 at 19:06 -0400, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> Duran, Leo wrote:
> > OK, lets' take K8 processor performance states (p-states) as an example:
> > BIOS, which should know 'best' about a given platform, needs to
> > communicate to the OS what 'voltage' (VID code) is correct for given
> > 'frequency' (FID),
> > and it can do that via ACPI processor tables (_PSS). Otherwise, OS code
> > is left with having to manage a HUGE amount 'specifics' (processor
> > models), and endless driver revisions to account for new parts.
> >
> > So, one can argue that there's merit on having ACPI, it's just a shame
> > when BIOS doesn't get it right! (thus the justification for lack of
> > 'trust'... the same can probably be said about other BIOS issues, not
> > just ACPI)
>
> That's pretty much it in a nutshell... Since most BIOS are largely
> tested and qualified only on That Other OS, Linux often gets the short
> end of the stick.
fwiw we're trying to get this changed; Intel released the Linux-ready
firmware developer kit recently which is designed to make it real easy
for bios people to test their bios with linux....
see http://www.linuxfirmwarekit.org
--
if you want to mail me at work (you don't), use arjan (at) linux.intel.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2006-10-07 5:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2006-10-05 17:10 Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 17:17 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-05 17:31 ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 17:43 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-05 17:53 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 19:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-05 19:42 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 20:02 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-05 20:10 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 22:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-05 22:52 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 23:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-05 23:21 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 23:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-06 0:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-06 1:29 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-06 11:03 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-06 16:07 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-06 16:19 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-10-06 22:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2006-10-06 22:31 ` Duran, Leo
2006-10-06 23:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2006-10-07 5:23 ` Arjan van de Ven [this message]
2006-10-07 2:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-08 20:59 ` Duran, Leo
2006-10-08 22:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-05 22:00 ` Alan Cox
2006-10-05 21:44 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-06 11:14 ` Alan Cox
2006-10-16 12:21 ` Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 17:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-05 17:27 ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2006-10-05 22:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-10-05 23:05 ` Andi Kleen
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