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From: Trond Myklebust <trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no>
To: Benny Halevy <bhalevy@panasas.com>
Cc: Mikulas Patocka <mikulas@artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz>,
	Jan Harkes <jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu>,
	Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, nfsv4@ietf.org,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Jeff Layton <jlayton@poochiereds.net>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [nfsv4] RE: Finding hardlinks
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 01:43:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1167871422.6046.42.camel@lade.trondhjem.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <459BA30A.4020809@panasas.com>

On Wed, 2007-01-03 at 14:35 +0200, Benny Halevy wrote:
> Believe it or not, but server companies like Panasas try to follow the standard
> when designing and implementing their products while relying on client vendors
> to do the same.

I personally have never given a rats arse about "standards" if they make
no sense to me. If the server is capable of knowing about hard links,
then why does it need all this extra crap in the filehandle that just
obfuscates the hard link info?

The bottom line is that nothing in our implementation will result in
such a server performing sub-optimally w.r.t. the client. The only
result is that we will conform to close-to-open semantics instead of
strict POSIX caching semantics when two processes have opened the same
file via different hard links.

> I sincerely expect you or anybody else for this matter to try to provide
> feedback and object to the protocol specification in case they disagree
> with it (or think it's ambiguous or self contradicting) rather than ignoring
> it and implementing something else. I think we're shooting ourselves in the
> foot when doing so and it is in our common interest to strive to reach a
> realistic standard we can all comply with and interoperate with each other.

This has nothing to do with the protocol itself: it has only to do with
caching semantics. As far as caching goes, the only guarantees that NFS
clients give are the close-to-open semantics, and this should indeed be
respected by the implementation in question.

Trond


  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-04  0:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-20  9:03 Mikulas Patocka
2006-12-20 11:44 ` Miklos Szeredi
2006-12-20 16:36   ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-12-20 16:50     ` Miklos Szeredi
2006-12-20 19:54       ` Al Viro
2006-12-20 20:12         ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-12-31 15:02         ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-12-21 18:58   ` Jan Harkes
2006-12-21 23:49     ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-12-22  5:05       ` Jan Harkes
2006-12-23 10:18       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-23 14:00         ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-12-28  9:06           ` Benny Halevy
2006-12-28 10:05             ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-12-28 15:24               ` Benny Halevy
2006-12-28 19:58                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-02 19:15                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-02 20:41                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-02 20:50                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-02 21:10                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-02 21:37                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-03 11:56                       ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-03 12:33                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-03 12:42                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-11 23:43                             ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-03 12:45                           ` Martin Mares
2007-01-03 13:54                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-01-03 15:51                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-03 19:04                               ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-04 22:59                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-05  8:43                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-05 13:12                                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-05 13:55                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-05 14:08                                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-05 15:09                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-05 15:15                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-08 11:27                                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-08  5:57                                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-08  8:49                                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-08 11:29                                               ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-08 12:00                                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-08 13:26                                                   ` Martin Mares
2007-01-08 13:39                                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-01-09 16:26                                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2007-01-09 19:53                                                     ` Frank van Maarseveen
2007-01-09 20:11                                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2007-01-11 10:07                                                       ` Pádraig Brady
2007-01-05 17:30                                   ` Frank van Maarseveen
2006-12-28 18:14               ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-12-29 10:34                 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-30  1:04                   ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-01  2:30                     ` Nikita Danilov
2007-01-01 22:58                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-01 23:05                         ` Nikita Danilov
2007-01-01 23:22                           ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-04 13:59                             ` Nikita Danilov
2007-01-02 23:14                     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-02 23:50                       ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-12-28 13:22             ` Jeff Layton
2006-12-28 15:12               ` Benny Halevy
2006-12-28 15:54                 ` Jeff Layton
2006-12-28 16:26                   ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-12-28 18:17                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2006-12-28 20:07                   ` Halevy, Benny
2006-12-29 10:28                     ` [nfsv4] " Trond Myklebust
2006-12-31 21:25                       ` Halevy, Benny
2007-01-02 23:21                         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-03 12:35                           ` Benny Halevy
2007-01-04  0:43                             ` Trond Myklebust [this message]
2007-01-04  8:36                             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-04 10:04                               ` Benny Halevy
2007-01-04 10:47                                 ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-05  8:28                                   ` Benny Halevy
2007-01-05 10:29                                     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-05 16:40                                 ` Nicolas Williams
2007-01-05 16:56                                   ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-06  7:44                                   ` Halevy, Benny
2007-01-10 13:04                                   ` Benny Halevy
2006-12-29 10:12                 ` Trond Myklebust
2006-12-31 21:19                   ` Halevy, Benny
2007-01-02 23:20                     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-02 23:46                     ` Trond Myklebust
2007-01-11 23:35             ` Denis Vlasenko
2006-12-29 10:02           ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-01 22:47             ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-01 23:53               ` Jan Harkes
2007-01-02  0:04                 ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-03 18:58                   ` Frank van Maarseveen
2007-01-03 19:17                     ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-03 19:26                       ` Frank van Maarseveen
2007-01-03 19:31                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-03 20:26                           ` Frank van Maarseveen
2007-01-12  0:00                             ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-03 22:30                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-01-03 21:09                     ` Bryan Henderson
2007-01-03 22:01                       ` Frank van Maarseveen
2007-01-03 23:43                         ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-04  0:12                           ` Frank van Maarseveen
2007-01-08  6:19                             ` Mikulas Patocka
2007-01-05 17:24 [nfsv4] " Noveck, Dave

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