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From: Nigel Cunningham <nigel@nigel.suspend2.net>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	pm list <linux-pm@lists.osdl.org>
Subject: Re: NAK new drivers without proper power management?
Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 09:51:29 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1171061489.1484.100.camel@nigel.suspend2.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200702092344.14984.rjw@sisk.pl>

Hi.

On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 23:44 +0100, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Friday, 9 February 2007 23:26, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > Hi.
> > 
> > On Fri, 2007-02-09 at 23:17 +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > > On Sat, 2007-02-10 at 08:57 +1100, Nigel Cunningham wrote:
> > > > Hi.
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think this is already done (feel free to correct me if I'm
> > > > wrong)..
> > > > 
> > > > Can we start to NAK new drivers that don't have proper power management
> > > > implemented? There really is no excuse for writing a new driver and not
> > > > putting .suspend and .resume methods in anymore, is there?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > to a large degree, a device driver that doesn't suspend is better than
> > > no device driver at all, right?
> > 
> > I'm not sure it is. It only makes more work for everyone else: We have
> > to help people figure out what causes their computer to fail to resume
> > (which can take quite a while), then get them them complain to driver
> > author, and the driver author has to submit patches to fix it.
> > 
> > All of this is avoided if they'll just do it right in the first place.
> > 
> > > now.. if you want to make the core warn about it, that's very fair
> > 
> > That's probably a good idea too, since I'm only suggesting this for new
> > drivers.
> 
> I think if CONFIG_PM_DEBUG is set, the core should warn about drivers not
> having .suspend or .resume routines.

The only problem with that is, not everyone turns on CONFIG_PM_DEBUG.
CONFIG_PM instead?

Regards,

Nigel


  reply	other threads:[~2007-02-09 22:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-02-09 21:57 Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 22:17 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-09 22:26   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-09 22:44     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-09 22:51       ` Nigel Cunningham [this message]
2007-02-09 23:12         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-09 23:28           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10  0:12             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10  0:25     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-02-10  6:43       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-10 23:52         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-10  7:15     ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-10 19:38   ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-10 22:20     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-10 22:37       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10 23:45         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-11  0:27           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 22:41             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-13 15:55               ` Mark Lord
2007-02-13 16:06                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-02-11 22:37           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12  0:10             ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-12  0:20               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12  4:08               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 20:06                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 22:38                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-03-03 22:48               ` Suspend/resume semantics for ISDN drivers (was: NAK new drivers without proper power management?) Tilman Schmidt
2007-03-04 19:04                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-03-08 23:35                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11  6:46         ` NAK new drivers without proper power management? Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 13:04           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 22:47           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:57             ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-11 23:20               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:25                 ` Manu Abraham
2007-02-11 23:29                   ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:33                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 16:52                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 20:31                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 20:58                         ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 21:01                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 21:24                             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 21:43                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-13  9:42                         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-13 19:24                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-14 23:45                             ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-12  9:45                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-02-12 12:59           ` Gerhard Mack
2007-02-12 20:20             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-13 15:23               ` Brad Campbell
2007-02-12 20:46             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 13:51           ` Tino Keitel
2007-02-11 19:42       ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 21:02         ` Alan
2007-02-11 23:04           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12  0:28             ` Alan
2007-02-12  0:24               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:10           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:16             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:22               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:23                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:21             ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 23:29               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:21         ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-12  8:49       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-02-12 15:04         ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 15:57           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2007-02-12 16:55             ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-12 20:38             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-13 10:02             ` Tilman Schmidt
2007-02-10  3:42 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-02-10  4:42   ` Nigel Cunningham
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2007-02-10  1:50       ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-10  1:59         ` Lee Revell
2007-02-10  2:09           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10  2:22             ` Lee Revell
2007-02-10  3:21               ` Kevin Fox
2007-02-10 20:40               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-02-10  4:35           ` Joseph Fannin
2007-02-13 21:08             ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-10 12:47           ` Stefan Richter
2007-02-10  2:05         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-10  3:27           ` Dmitry Torokhov
2007-02-10  4:18             ` Nigel Cunningham
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2007-02-10 23:20         ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11  0:44           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 17:01             ` Pavel Machek
2007-02-11 22:40             ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:40                 ` Nigel Cunningham
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2007-02-11 18:31           ` Robert Hancock
2007-02-11 21:52             ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 22:26               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 22:46                 ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 23:18                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:38                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-11 23:45                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12  0:26                       ` Alan
2007-02-12  5:19                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-02-12 20:20                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12 22:36                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:23                   ` Alan
2007-02-11 23:38                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:41                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:47                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-11 23:50                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-11 23:55                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12  0:09                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-02-12  0:15                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-02-12 12:19               ` Pavel Machek
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2007-02-12  0:59               ` Robert Hancock

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