From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: David Lang <david.lang@digitalinsight.com>
Cc: Josh Boyer <jwboyer@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>,
Artem Bityutskiy <dedekind@infradead.org>,
Matt Mackall <mpm@selenic.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Frank Haverkamp <haver@vnet.ibm.com>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/22 take 3] UBI: Unsorted Block Images
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:32:40 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1174426360.20505.15.camel@pmac.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0703201049310.8684@qynat.qvtvafvgr.pbz>
On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 10:58 -0800, David Lang wrote:
> What Matt and Ted are looking at is the question 'are flash devices close enough
> to other block devices that it would make sense to change the existing linux
> definition of a block device to handle the special requirements of flash'
I've seen no real proposals about how this could be done, so it's a
purely academic question. But I'm dubious. The block layer is optimised,
perhaps unsurprisingly, for block devices. Making it handle our special
case might be possible, but I don't really think it's likely to fly once
it becomes real code and not just mental self-abuse. Hell, we haven't
even got block _discard_ support merged yet, because it's too esoteric
for people to care about.
The MTD API does need to be re-thought. It's no longer quite so
unthinkable that we'll encounter flash sizes above 4GiB, and the way we
(theoretically) handle asynchronous erases while read and write are
synchronous is a bit icky. I'm not averse to using queues and making it
look a _bit_ like block devices in some respects, but in practice I
don't think it'll be very close at all.
The MTD API is intended to represent the raw capabilities of the
underlying flash devices, with all the bizarre restrictions and features
that the various types of flash chip have. If you want to use it as a
block device, that's what translation layers are for.
--
dwmw2
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2007-03-20 21:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2007-03-14 15:19 Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 01/22 take 3] UBI: on-flash data structures header Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 02/22 take 3] UBI: user-space API header Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 03/22 take 3] UBI: kernel-space " Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 04/22 take 3] UBI: internal header Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:19 ` [PATCH 05/22 take 3] UBI: startup code Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 06/22 take 3] UBI: scanning unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 07/22 take 3] UBI: I/O unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 08/22 take 3] UBI: volume table unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 09/22 take 3] UBI: wear-leveling unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 10/22 take 3] UBI: EBA unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-15 19:07 ` Andrew Morton
2007-03-15 21:24 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-15 23:29 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-16 1:49 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-16 10:23 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-16 10:21 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-16 14:55 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-03-16 10:14 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 11/22 take 3] UBI: user-interfaces unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 12/22 take 3] UBI: update functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 13/22 take 3] UBI: accounting unit Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 14/22 take 3] UBI: volume management functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 15/22 take 3] UBI: sysfs functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:20 ` [PATCH 16/22 take 3] UBI: character devices functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 17/22 take 3] UBI: gluebi functionality Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 18/22 take 3] UBI: misc stuff Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 19/22 take 3] UBI: debugging stuff Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 20/22 take 3] UBI: JFFS2 UBI support Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 21/22 take 3] UBI: update MAINTAINERS Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-14 15:21 ` [PATCH 22/22 take 3] UBI: Linux build integration Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-18 16:27 ` [PATCH 00/22 take 3] UBI: Unsorted Block Images Matt Mackall
2007-03-18 16:49 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-18 19:18 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-18 20:31 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-19 17:08 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-19 18:16 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-19 19:54 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-19 20:18 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-19 21:05 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-19 22:32 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20 0:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-20 1:05 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20 6:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-21 11:05 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-21 11:25 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-21 11:35 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-21 11:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-21 12:31 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-21 12:39 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-21 11:36 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-25 20:08 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-25 21:49 ` David Lang
2007-03-25 22:55 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-25 23:46 ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26 0:01 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-26 0:21 ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26 1:04 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-26 9:45 ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26 9:51 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-26 10:07 ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-26 10:02 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-26 10:49 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-26 11:30 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-19 21:06 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-19 21:36 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-20 0:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-20 12:25 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 13:52 ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-20 15:14 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 15:59 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-20 18:58 ` David Lang
2007-03-20 20:05 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 21:36 ` David Woodhouse
2007-03-21 8:54 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-20 21:32 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2007-03-21 13:03 ` Jörn Engel
2007-03-20 22:03 ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-21 8:44 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-21 13:50 ` Theodore Tso
2007-03-21 13:59 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-21 14:02 ` Artem Bityutskiy
2007-03-21 15:38 ` Frank Haverkamp
2007-03-21 20:26 ` David Lang
2007-03-20 12:13 ` Josh Boyer
2007-03-19 19:03 ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-03-19 20:12 ` Matt Mackall
2007-03-19 21:04 ` Thomas Gleixner
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