From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1423228AbXDYG0f (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:26:35 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1423229AbXDYG0f (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:26:35 -0400 Received: from attic.omnifarious.org ([216.254.16.17]:52557 "EHLO attic.omnifarious.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1423228AbXDYG0e (ORCPT ); Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:26:34 -0400 Subject: Re: Question about Reiser4 From: "Eric M. Hopper" To: lkml777@123mail.org Cc: Linux kernel mailing list In-Reply-To: <1177459922.31000.1186391425@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <20070423111939.c876c9cc.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <462E17AF.7090604@namesys.com> <1177459922.31000.1186391425@webmail.messagingengine.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-9MJw0jQzCktsrPZBMn3j" Organization: Omnifarious Software Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:26:31 -0700 Message-Id: <1177482391.3315.20.camel@bats.omnifarious.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 (2.8.3-2.fc6) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --=-9MJw0jQzCktsrPZBMn3j Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 17:12 -0700, lkml777@123mail.org wrote: > On Sun, 22 Apr 2007 19:00:46 -0700, "Eric Hopper" > > said: >=20 > > I did. That whole thread is some guy spouting off a ludicrous Bonnie++ > > benchmark showing that compressing long strings of 0s results in things > > taking up very little space and being very fast. >=20 > I think you are deliberately being stupid here. >=20 > You are claiming that REISER4's good speed results when using > compression actually has a simple explanation and THEREFORE all good > result for the filesystem, even those results that have nothing to do > with compression, are negated. I am claiming nothing of the sort. You are assuming that I'm claiming this for some random reason. And in so doing, you are hurting your cause and mine. If you would bother to read, I really like the ideas in Reiser4, and I definitely think it has distinct performance advantages in some much more common situations than the highly flawed benchmark with Bonnie++ and compression. I would like it included in the mainline kernel. In arguing with me, you are arguing against someone who (as far as I can tell) you actually share a cause with. But, bringing in benchmarks that have serious flaws as a general use-case and attempting to use them as an argument does way more to hurt your cause than help. It brands you as a crackpot and a crank (note that I am not calling you either of those things) and that impression will also bleed off onto all those who share an association with you by way of sharing some of your opinions. Additionally, repeatedly posting something everybody has already read and ranting about how everybody is ignoring all the good parts of it and focusing on the bad parts makes things even worse. I will not respond to you again. Please stop jumping into discussions about Reiser4. I would like it included in the mainline kernel, and you are hurting that cause. --=20 Eric Hopper (hopper@omnifarious.org http://www.omnifarious.org/~hopper/) --=-9MJw0jQzCktsrPZBMn3j Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGLvSXjtsvlOwvazYRAkfCAJwIFYBqet3ZUBlPf1rb2X8yMiznjACghUI7 IgBHAIUvi48J5hrESknTYjM= =9lS/ -----END PGP MESSAGE----- --=-9MJw0jQzCktsrPZBMn3j--