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From: "Li, Tong N" <tong.n.li@intel.com>
To: vatsa@in.ibm.com
Cc: William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>,
	efault@gmx.de, kernel@kolivas.org, containers@lists.osdl.org,
	ckrm-tech@lists.sourceforge.net, torvalds@linux-foundation.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, pwil3058@bigpond.net.au,
	tingy@cs.umass.edu, Balbir Singh <balbir@in.ibm.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH 0/3] Add group fairness to CFS
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:14:58 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1180113298.28264.24.camel@tongli.jf.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070525161424.GA5162@in.ibm.com>

On Fri, 2007-05-25 at 21:44 +0530, Srivatsa Vaddagiri wrote:
> > 
> > That assumes per-user scheduling groups; other configurations would
> > make it one step for each level of hierarchy. It may be possible to
> > reduce those steps to only state transitions that change weightings
> > and incremental updates of task weightings. By and large, one needs
> > the groups to determine task weightings as opposed to hierarchically
> > scheduling, so there are alternative ways of going about this, ones
> > that would even make load balancing easier.
> 
> Yeah I agree that providing hierarchical group-fairness at the cost of single 
> (or fewer) scheduling levels would be a nice thing to target for,
> although I don't know of any good way to do it. Do you have any ideas
> here? Doing group fairness in a single level, using a common rb-tree for tasks 
> from all groups is very difficult IMHO. We need atleast two levels.
> 
> One possibility is that we recognize deeper hierarchies only in user-space,
> but flatten this view from kernel perspective i.e some user space tool
> will have to distributed the weights accordingly in this flattened view
> to the kernel.

Nice work, Vatsa. When I wrote the DWRR algorithm, I flattened the
hierarchies into one level, so maybe that approach can be applied to
your code as well. What I did is to maintain task and task group weights
and reservations separately from the scheduler, while the scheduler only
sees one system-wide weight per task and does not concern about which
group a task is in. The key here is the system-wide weight of each task
should represent an equivalent share to the share represented by the
group hierarchies. To do this, the scheduler looks up the task and group
weights/reservations it maintains, and dynamically computes the
system-wide weight *only* when it need a weight for a given task while
scheduling. The on-demand weight computation makes sure the cost is
small (constant time). The computation itself can be seen from an
example: assume we have a group of two tasks and the group's total share
is represented by a weight of 10. Inside the group, let's say the two
tasks, P1 and P2, have weights 1 and 2. Then the system-wide weight for
P1 is 10/3 and the weight for P2 is 20/3. In essence, this flattens
weights into one level without changing the shares they represent.

  tong

  reply	other threads:[~2007-05-25 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-05-23 16:48 Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-23 16:51 ` [RFC] [PATCH 1/3] task_cpu(p) needs to be correct always Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-23 16:54 ` [RFC] [PATCH 2/3] Introduce two new structures - struct lrq and sched_entity Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-23 16:56 ` [RFC] [PATCH 3/3] Generalize CFS core and provide per-user fairness Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-23 18:32 ` [RFC] [PATCH 0/3] Add group fairness to CFS Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25  7:59   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
     [not found] ` <3d8471ca0705231112rfac9cfbt9145ac2da8ec1c85@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]   ` <20070523183824.GA7388@elte.hu>
     [not found]     ` <4654BF88.3030404@yahoo.fr>
2007-05-25  7:45       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-25  8:29         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 10:56           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-25 11:11             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 11:28               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-25 12:05                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-05-25 12:41                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-25 13:05           ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-05-25 15:34             ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-25 16:18               ` Kirill Korotaev
2007-05-25 18:08                 ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-26  0:17                   ` Peter Williams
2007-05-26 15:41                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-27  1:29                       ` Peter Williams
2007-05-29 10:48                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-30  0:09                           ` Peter Williams
2007-05-30  2:48                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-30  4:07                               ` Peter Williams
2007-05-30 17:14                       ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-30 20:13                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-31  3:26                           ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-31  4:09                             ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-31  5:48                               ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-31  6:36                                 ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-31  8:33                                   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-31  8:43                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-31  8:56                                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-31  9:15                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2007-05-31  9:36                                         ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-28 17:26                     ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-29  0:18                       ` Peter Williams
2007-05-29  1:55                         ` Paul Menage
2007-05-29  3:30                         ` Peter Williams
2007-05-25  9:30         ` Guillaume Chazarain
     [not found] ` <20070523180316.GY19966@holomorphy.com>
2007-05-25 16:14   ` Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-25 17:14     ` Li, Tong N [this message]
2007-05-28 16:39       ` [ckrm-tech] " Srivatsa Vaddagiri
2007-05-30  0:14         ` Bill Huey
2007-05-30  2:51         ` William Lee Irwin III

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