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From: Zachary Amsden <zach@vmware.com>
To: Avi Kivity <avi@qumranet.com>
Cc: Anthony Liguori <aliguori@us.ibm.com>,
	kvm-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, virtualization@lists.osdl.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Eric Van Hensbergen <ericvanhensbergen@us.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [kvm-devel] [PATCH 3/3] virtio PCI device
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 10:22:57 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1195669377.6352.247.camel@bodhitayantram.eng.vmware.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4743DAA4.70800@qumranet.com>

On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 09:13 +0200, Avi Kivity wrote:

> Where the device is implemented is an implementation detail that should 
> be hidden from the guest, isn't that one of the strengths of 
> virtualization?  Two examples: a file-based block device implemented in 
> qemu gives you fancy file formats with encryption and compression, while 
> the same device implemented in the kernel gives you a low-overhead path 
> directly to a zillion-disk SAN volume.  Or a user-level network device 
> capable of running with the slirp stack and no permissions vs. the 
> kernel device running copyless most of the time and using a dma engine 
> for the rest but requiring you to be good friends with the admin.
> 
> The user should expect zero reconfigurations moving a VM from one model 
> to the other.

I think that is pretty insightful, and indeed, is probably the only
reason we would ever consider using a virtio based driver.

But is this really a virtualization problem, and is virtio the right
place to solve it?  Doesn't I/O hotplug with multipathing or NIC teaming
provide the same infrastructure in a way that is useful in more than
just a virtualization context?

Zach


  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-21 18:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-08  2:46 [PATCH 0/3] virtio PCI driver Anthony Liguori
2007-11-08  2:46 ` [PATCH 1/3] Export vring functions for modules to use Anthony Liguori
2007-11-08  2:46   ` [PATCH 2/3] Put the virtio under the virtualization menu Anthony Liguori
2007-11-08  2:46     ` [PATCH 3/3] virtio PCI device Anthony Liguori
2007-11-08  6:12       ` [kvm-devel] " Avi Kivity
2007-11-08 13:54         ` Anthony Liguori
2007-11-08 14:37           ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-08 15:06             ` Anthony Liguori
2007-11-08 15:13               ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-08 23:43           ` Dor Laor
2007-11-08 17:46       ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-11-08 19:04         ` Anthony Liguori
2007-11-09 11:03           ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-11-09  0:39       ` Dor Laor
2007-11-09  2:17         ` Anthony Liguori
2007-11-20 15:01       ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-20 15:43         ` Anthony Liguori
2007-11-20 16:12           ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-20 22:16             ` Anthony Liguori
2007-11-21  7:13               ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-21 18:22                 ` Zachary Amsden [this message]
2007-11-22  7:32                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-23 16:51                 ` Anthony Liguori
2007-11-23 17:47                   ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-26 19:18                     ` Anthony Liguori
2007-11-27  9:02                       ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-27  9:09                         ` Carsten Otte
2007-11-27  9:27                           ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-27 10:12                             ` Carsten Otte
2007-11-27 10:19                               ` Avi Kivity
2007-11-27 10:28                                 ` Carsten Otte
2007-11-27  9:25                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2007-11-08  6:49     ` [kvm-devel] [PATCH 2/3] Put the virtio under the virtualization menu Avi Kivity

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