From: Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@inria.fr>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: Artem Bityutskiy <artem.bityutskiy@linux.intel.com>,
Aboorva Devarajan <aboorvad@linux.ibm.com>,
kernel-janitors@vger.kernel.org,
Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano@linaro.org>,
Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>,
linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] cpuidle: menu: correct variance calculation
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2026 06:36:34 +0100 (BST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <11a3f8bc-de5-7355-ecf-71d53a836fc4@inria.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0hVbda_ZjQ-j5t0MRCN9C6TUwN7dy-U89tm77DZDkdx8g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, 29 Apr 2026, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 5:35 PM Julia Lawall <Julia.Lawall@inria.fr> wrote:
> >
> > Commit 13982929fb08 ("cpuidle: menu: Use one loop for average and
> > variance computations") simplified the numerator of the variance
> > calculation to:
> >
> > sum of squares of idle times - (average idle time)^2
> >
> > This computes a value that is typically too big. The formula should be
> >
> > sum of squares of idle times - (sum of idle times * average idle time)
>
> I'm not sure why.
>
> According to Wikipedia Var(X) = E[X^2] - E[X]^2:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance
OK, looking again at the formulas, I may be wrong about the calculation.
I was assuming that the division by N was at the end of the calculation of
the variance, but now that I am paying more attention, I see that it is
before the subtraction. So maybe the formula is OK as is.
Thanks for the feedback.
julia
>
> > On a small number of tests I didn't find any significant performance
> > change. Likewise, the original patch was tested by various people and
> > was presumably not observed to cause any problem. My impression is
> > that this is because the actual variance is almost always quite high
> > (greater than the threshold of 400 used by get_typical_interval), so
> > having a value that is even higher than it should be doesn't matter.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Julia Lawall <Julia.Lawall@inria.fr>
> > Fixes: 13982929fb08 ("cpuidle: menu: Use one loop for average and variance computations")
> >
> > ---
> >
> > drivers/cpuidle/governors/menu.c | 14 +++++++-------
> > 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 7 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/drivers/cpuidle/governors/menu.c b/drivers/cpuidle/governors/menu.c
> > index 64d6f7a1c776..8cbd70cafe89 100644
> > --- a/drivers/cpuidle/governors/menu.c
> > +++ b/drivers/cpuidle/governors/menu.c
> > @@ -117,14 +117,14 @@ static unsigned int get_typical_interval(struct menu_device *data)
> > {
> > s64 value, min_thresh = -1, max_thresh = UINT_MAX;
> > unsigned int max, min, divisor;
> > - u64 avg, variance, avg_sq;
> > + u64 avg, variance, sum;
> > int i;
> >
> > again:
> > /* Compute the average and variance of past intervals. */
> > max = 0;
> > min = UINT_MAX;
> > - avg = 0;
> > + sum = 0;
> > variance = 0;
> > divisor = 0;
> > for (i = 0; i < INTERVALS; i++) {
> > @@ -138,7 +138,7 @@ static unsigned int get_typical_interval(struct menu_device *data)
> >
> > divisor++;
> >
> > - avg += value;
> > + sum += value;
> > variance += value * value;
> >
> > if (value > max)
> > @@ -151,17 +151,17 @@ static unsigned int get_typical_interval(struct menu_device *data)
> > if (!max)
> > return UINT_MAX;
> >
> > + avg = sum;
> > if (divisor == INTERVALS) {
> > avg >>= INTERVAL_SHIFT;
> > + variance = variance - (sum * avg);
> > variance >>= INTERVAL_SHIFT;
> > } else {
> > do_div(avg, divisor);
> > + variance = variance - (sum * avg);
> > do_div(variance, divisor);
> > }
> >
> > - avg_sq = avg * avg;
> > - variance -= avg_sq;
> > -
> > /*
> > * The typical interval is obtained when standard deviation is
> > * small (stddev <= 20 us, variance <= 400 us^2) or standard
> > @@ -175,7 +175,7 @@ static unsigned int get_typical_interval(struct menu_device *data)
> > * Use this result only if there is no timer to wake us up sooner.
> > */
> > if (likely(variance <= U64_MAX/36)) {
> > - if ((avg_sq > variance * 36 && divisor * 4 >= INTERVALS * 3) ||
> > + if ((avg * avg > variance * 36 && divisor * 4 >= INTERVALS * 3) ||
> > variance <= 400)
> > return avg;
> > }
> >
>
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-04-30 5:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 4+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-29 15:33 Julia Lawall
2026-04-29 18:32 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2026-04-29 21:18 ` Julia Lawall
2026-04-30 5:36 ` Julia Lawall [this message]
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