From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1757892AbYEAMnH (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 08:43:07 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1756627AbYEAMmz (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 08:42:55 -0400 Received: from pentafluge.infradead.org ([213.146.154.40]:53002 "EHLO pentafluge.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1753543AbYEAMmy (ORCPT ); Thu, 1 May 2008 08:42:54 -0400 Subject: Re: RFC: starting a kernel-testers group for newbies From: David Woodhouse To: Arjan van de Ven Cc: Andrew Morton , Adrian Bunk , Linus Torvalds , "Rafael J. Wysocki" , davem@davemloft.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, jirislaby@gmail.com, Steven Rostedt In-Reply-To: <20080430071526.1bce202c@infradead.org> References: <20080429.190352.137408408.davem@davemloft.net> <200804302136.58005.rjw@sisk.pl> <20080430131537.1f7a0914.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080501003125.GM29330@cs181133002.pp.htv.fi> <20080430000338.50548884@infradead.org> <20080501011346.522f9846.akpm@linux-foundation.org> <20080430071526.1bce202c@infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 13:42:44 +0100 Message-Id: <1209645764.25560.547.camel@pmac.infradead.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 (2.22.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SRS-Rewrite: SMTP reverse-path rewritten from by pentafluge.infradead.org See http://www.infradead.org/rpr.html Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 2008-04-30 at 07:15 -0700, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > Maybe that's a "boggle" for you; but for me that's symptomatic of > where we are today: We don't make (effective) prioritization > decisions. Such decisions are hard, because it effectively means > telling people "I'm sorry but your bug is not yet important". It's not that clear-cut, either. Something which manifests itself as a build failure or an immediate test failure on m68k alone, might actually turn out to cause subtle data corruption on other platforms. You can't always know that it isn't important, just because it only shows up in some esoteric circumstances. You only really know how important it was _after_ you've fixed it. That obviously doesn't help us to prioritise. -- dwmw2