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From: Johannes Berg <johannes@sipsolutions.net>
To: Daniel Barkalow <barkalow@iabervon.org>
Cc: Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	arjan@linux.intel.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	torvalds@linux-foundation.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	tglx@linutronix.de, linville@tuxdriver.com, davej@redhat.com
Subject: Re: Oops report for the week preceding June 16th, 2008
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:31:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1213731096.3803.127.camel@johannes.berg> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.1.00.0806171428320.19665@iabervon.org>

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On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 14:43 -0400, Daniel Barkalow wrote:

> That's the same reason the wireless drivers didn't get merged sooner, with 
> the slight difference that they were waiting on the new 802.11 stack's 
> interface to stabilize, rather than their own interface.
> 
> On the other hand, it would be good if there were a way to include 
> unstable APIs in the mainline kernel so that they could get some exposure 
> before they're set in stone, and that would also eliminate that reason for 
> keeping drivers out so long.

Small correction here: We actually did evolve the mac80211 APIs quite
radically in mainline (and new API revamps will be landing in .26
and .27).

Most drivers, however, were waiting to be written against the mac80211
API, i.e. there were drivers against net80211 or  (even more of them)
drivers that had their own 802.11 stack in the driver, which meant the
driver needed to be "ported" (rewritten) to mac80211's API.

Stuff like that takes a time when each driver has at best one or two
interested developers.

johannes

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  reply	other threads:[~2008-06-17 19:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-16 18:24 Arjan van de Ven
2008-06-17  9:20 ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-17  9:26   ` David Miller
2008-06-17 15:33     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-17 17:54       ` Greg KH
2008-06-17 18:14         ` Dave Jones
2008-06-17 18:43         ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-06-17 19:31           ` Johannes Berg [this message]
2008-06-17 22:48           ` Greg KH
2008-06-18  2:40             ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-06-17 19:24       ` Johannes Berg
2008-06-17 19:41         ` Dave Jones
2008-06-18  3:34           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-06-18  7:17             ` Johannes Berg
2008-06-18 14:22               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-06-23 16:55                 ` John W. Linville
2008-06-17 21:51       ` David Miller
2008-06-19  0:21         ` Ingo Molnar
2008-06-20  6:01           ` Len Brown
2008-06-17 17:18 ` Bob Copeland

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