From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1752652AbYFUSDB (ORCPT ); Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:03:01 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1751518AbYFUSCu (ORCPT ); Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:02:50 -0400 Received: from bombadil.infradead.org ([18.85.46.34]:51467 "EHLO bombadil.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751365AbYFUSCt (ORCPT ); Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:02:49 -0400 Subject: Re: How linux-staging is released (was Re: linux-staging/linux-next merge/build errors) From: Peter Zijlstra To: Greg KH Cc: Stephen Rothwell , Ingo Molnar , linux-next@vger.kernel.org, LKML In-Reply-To: <20080621175003.GC14786@kroah.com> References: <20080621124017.ec3b0a51.sfr@canb.auug.org.au> <20080621071956.GB2765@kroah.com> <1214053209.3223.220.camel@lappy.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20080621175003.GC14786@kroah.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:02:22 +0200 Message-Id: <1214071343.3223.249.camel@lappy.programming.kicks-ass.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 10:50 -0700, Greg KH wrote: > On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 03:00:08PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > > > So what motivates people to keep working on items in your tree if > > distros are already shipping their stuff? > > The fact that the code still isn't upstream? > > And I'm not betting on distros picking this tree up, but it is in an > easy form if they wish to do so :) The point was that for some people being carried by distos is upstream enough. So I would discourage distros form picking up this tree. The scenario I was thinking about is some HW vendor writing a shitty driver, dumping it in your tree - getting picked up by $DISTRO and saying, job done, people can use it. Leaving you to pick up the pieces - which, with you not having hw-docs, is a hard job. > > Will you drop drivers that stagnate? > > Heh, most of the drivers are in my tree because they were stagnating > somewhere else :) > > Hopefully no, it's trivial to drag them along forever, but I'll be > working to get them upstream as fast as I can, and it also provides a > very nice project for someone to pick up and work on, as a number of > developers already have. Good stuff ;-)