From: Radhakrishnan <rk@atr-labs.com>
To: Chris Friesen <cfriesen@nortel.com>
Cc: "Fredrik Markström" <fredrik.markstrom@avalonenterprise.com>,
"Robert Hancock" <hancockr@shaw.ca>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Developing non-commercial drivers ?
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:30:53 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1227031253.1817.20.camel@win2k.atr-labs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4922F8C4.80509@nortel.com>
There is an interesting situation that seemingly meets the GPL clause
but is also used for developing proprietory drivers, and it works as
under :
Consider an organization A ( the Technical organization ) that is
contracted with developing specific hardware & software for an
organization B that happens to be the Navy.
Also assume that both the organizations ( A & B ) are under the Ministry
of Defence.
Organization A now contracts me, a freelancer, for developing some linux
kernel drivers for an embedded defence related project.
I develop the drivers and hand them over to Organization A and clearly
mark my code as GPL since I believe in the spirit of GPL.
However, Organization A now bundles the code with the specially
'manufactured' hardware and sells it to their ONLY customer,
Organization B ( The Navy ).
Now, Organization B ( The Navy ) who is also the CUSTOMER, INSISTS that
Organization A NOT REVEAL the source code to anybody else and this is
agreed upon by Organization A since the software can ONLY work on the
specific hardware supplied to the Navy and this is a highly classified
project, and cannot/will not be sold to anyone else.
Under this scenario,
a) The software is GPL-ed
b) No-one can get to see the software unless I the developer squeal.
A 3rd party cannot pop-up and demand to see the software since the 3rd
party is not a customer or in any way related to any transaction.
c) If I squeal, I may disappear. Since I am paid for my hard work lets
say I do not have any desire to squeal.
Am I therefore right in assuming that this is a specific case where the
open source nature of Linux is being used with great effect but the very
nature of the licensing denies ANYONE ELSE from being a party to this
transaction ?
V. Radhakrishnan
www.atr-labs.com
On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 11:17 -0600, Chris Friesen wrote:
> Fredrik Markström wrote:
>
> > At this point I feel that we have two possibilities, help our customer
> > violate GPL or say no to the project. I'd prefer a third option where
> > I could tell the customer that we can setup the project in a certain
> > way (some "cleanroom" setup ?) to ensure that the results can not be
> > considered derived work.
> >
> > Is your short answer also the definite answer considering this ?
>
> I'm not a lawyer, and you need to consult one.
>
> There isn't really a "definate answer" since it depends on copyright
> law, which varies by region. The key question is whether the driver is
> a derivative work of the kernel under copyright law. For the purposes
> of copyright law this is primarily a legal question, not a technical one.
>
> There are some that claim that a driver written for another OS and
> running in linux via a shim layer could qualify (especially if the
> closed-source portion is written without any knowledge of linux
> internals). Nvidia is one company that does this, but there are others
> as well.
>
> Also, releasing the driver under the GPL doesn't necessarily mean
> "released to the world". Technically, they would only need to provide
> source code to their customers. Of course, their customers would be
> free to redistribute, but it's unlikely that most of them would bother.
>
> Chris
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2008-11-19 8:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-18 16:16 Fredrik Markström
2008-11-18 16:29 ` Robert Hancock
2008-11-18 16:52 ` Fredrik Markström
2008-11-18 17:04 ` Robert Hancock
2008-11-18 17:17 ` Xavier Bestel
2008-11-18 17:17 ` Chris Friesen
2008-11-18 18:00 ` Radhakrishnan [this message]
2008-11-18 18:13 ` Chris Friesen
2008-11-18 18:33 ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2008-11-18 17:40 ` Alan Cox
2008-11-22 18:16 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2008-11-18 17:32 ` Alan Cox
2008-11-18 19:25 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2008-11-18 19:29 ` Alan Cox
2008-11-18 20:20 ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-18 21:13 ` Fredrik Markström
2008-11-18 23:28 ` Theodore Tso
2008-11-19 18:38 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-11-19 22:32 ` Fredrik Markström
2008-11-19 22:47 ` Lennart Sorensen
2008-12-01 0:19 ` Enrico Weigelt
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